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neither the PCS nor the tri x run 15-20c below the MSI gaming card, or even close to that. The PCS runs @  68c under load, and the MSI Gaming series runs at 73C  secondly, there is more to OC headroom than a card running a few degree cooler.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_categories/videocards.html

Guru put them all thru the paces and the conclusion on performance, temps, OC are remarkably close. In fact the load dBA from the MSI is a touch quieter.
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I have a PCS+ and Tri-X, a buddy had a pair of MSI Gaming (he returned them due to temps), we have the same case setup, Define R4s. The PCS+ won't hit 68 at load at stock. It won't come close. You won't hit 68c even with a beefy overclock. Here is Far Cry 3 all night, ambient 22, with a pretty good overclock (1170 on the core, up from a factory overclock of 1040) and high fan rpm:


If I run close to stock with a 1090 oc, I can turn fans to basically silent (40%) and get temps like this:


It's not just me, go check out temps in the Powercolor thread, nobody is hitting 68c on the core without a big overclock and vddc adjust. Meanwhile my buddy's MSI Gaming in single gpu would game at low 70s core, high 70s/low 80s vrm1. The Tri-X isn't as good as the PCS+. But it's pretty darned good too. Here is my crossfire temp picture after a 50 loop of Metro LL bench maxed, ~22-23 ambient:



Gaming temps, Far Cry 3 for 3+ hours, ~22-23 ambient:



I'm surprised you're able to run quad MSI Gaming xfire on air. What are your temps like?

Anyway my buddy's MSI Gaming in crossfire always hit 90c on the top card at game load in minutes and throttled. He's not the only one with that experience. I'm not ragging on the card, like I said it's fine as a single card gpu and it's quiet. And it's the smallest 290 by a big margin which is nice. But I think your experience is aberrant. Over at OCUK there was a big thread about MSI Gaming and high temps which is what made me wait for the PCS+ and Tri-X, unlike my impatient friend.

Sorry for the long thread, the hwinfo screens take up a lot of room, but I stand by what I said: Powercolor PCS+ runs 15-20c cooler than the MSI Gaming, and the Tri-X is not too far behind. This PCS+ cooler, is quite possibly the best gpu cooler ever made. I certainly have never owned a card that gets temps like this.

It just dawned on me that we are comparing two different cards. you are running the 290 while I am running the 290X versions. individually my core temps are coming in at around 65c during gaming, but my VRM's are nowhere close to what you claim. If you buddy is getting VRM temps on his MSI gaming of 80-90, I would have him RMA it, or have a serious look at his caseflow situation because my VRM temps are looking very close to yours.

Good Luck.

I am trying mine out until my water blocks get here, I have no interest in quadfiring 4 x 290x on air.

anyway my mistake, I was comparing card with 300+ more shaders and less TDP.

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About the discussion regarding downclocking with 14.2 Beta 3, I'm still rocking my ref 7970 daily @1200Mhz Core @1850Mhz Mem (Hynix FTW) and if I set only my 1920x1200 @60Hz Dell U2412m as active it will downclock to 300Mhz Core, 150Mhz Men, my overlord at 2560x1440 @114Hz alone won't let the memory downclock from 1850Mhz and the core downclocks only to 500Mhz, both active the same 500/1850... funy is that the only resolution @114hz that downclocks properly is 1024x768. But in general I don't mind, I use the monitor full time @114Hz since it makes reading foruns at chrome (with chrome wheel addon) crystal clear while scrolling, also I don't mind it not downclocking the memory since it's rock stable and temps are low...
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Ok, so I got pissed the crap off about 14.xx's issues with overclocking, power limits not working.. black screens when mem ocing, not downclocking when mem ocing..

So, I installed 13.12, ditched Mantle for BF4 for now, installed TriXX, Smacked my load fan speed to 100%, rammed the voltage bar and power limit as far as they go and boom.

In stead of running 1100Mhz core and 1400Mhz VRAM with the occasional throttling i'm now running +200mV, 1200Mhz core, 1625Mhz VRAM, no throttling at all at +50%. Temps are very high but at 100% fanspeed even +200mV (1.30v load) is tamable.

She's running at a flat 70c core and 78c VRM1 under BF4. Is that still within reason? smile.gif

EDIT:

Ok, after a few rounds I can say it's reasonably stable, but temps did keep creeping up slightly to finally stabilize at 76c core and 90c VRM1. Now, I don't really like 90c VRM1 at 1.30v so i'll have to dail down a bit frown.giffrown.gif
Edited by Imprezzion - 3/17/14 at 12:28am
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It just dawned on me that we are comparing two different cards. you are running the 290 while I am running the 290X versions. individually my core temps are coming in at around 65c during gaming, but my VRM's are nowhere close to what you claim. If you buddy is getting VRM temps on his MSI gaming of 80-90, I would have him RMA it, or have a serious look at his caseflow situation because my VRM temps are looking very close to yours.
Good Luck.
I am trying mine out until my water blocks get here, I have no interest in quadfiring 4 x 290x on air.
anyway my mistake, I was comparing card with 300+ more shaders and less TDP.

So you haven't tried to crossfire these on air? Because I was saying from the start, the card is fine in single gpu scenarios. You're getting better temps than we were, but the temps we were getting in single card mode was more than acceptable, low 70s core high 70s/low 80s vrm1. Those are fine numbers. The 90c throttling scenario we were getting is in crossfire.

But if you're getting 70c under load like you were saying earlier, that's at least 15c higher than what I get at 1080 core, which is around the MSI Gaming's performance mode of 1070 or whatever it was, which is what I was saying, the Powercolor is 15-20c cooler than the MSI Gaming. Keep in mind, the MSI Gaming is 267mm x 110mm x 38mm with dual fans that max at 2200rpm or so. The PCS+ is 294mm x 110mm x 52mm with triple fans that max at 5000rpm. The cooling differential is not surprising at all. The price you pay for it is a massive 3 slotter card with very loud fans.
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Smacked my load fan speed to 100%, rammed the voltage bar and power limit as far as they go and boom.

In stead of running 1100Mhz core and 1400Mhz VRAM with the occasional throttling i'm now running +200mV, 1200Mhz core, 1625Mhz VRAM, no throttling at all at +50%. Temps are very high but at 100% fanspeed even +200mV (1.30v load) is tamable.

She's running at a flat 70c core and 78c VRM1 under BF4. Is that still within reason? smile.gif

EDIT:

Ok, after a few rounds I can say it's reasonably stable, but temps did keep creeping up slightly to finally stabilize at 76c core and 90c VRM1. Now, I don't really like 90c VRM1 at 1.30v so i'll have to dail down a bit frown.giffrown.gif

90c vrm1 at +200mV on air? That's godlike.
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On air, CF 4 x 290X gets warm. I did not have any throttling problems however. The single card temp comes down to ambient, case air flow, and the game, or stress test being run. getting a comparison of any accuracy is not possible because of the variable between your setup and mine, including comparing an X version vs a non X version of the 290.

Next week mine will be under water and maxing out at 39C, so its a moot point for me.

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Well, yeah, but that's with the fan on 100% and the intake fans of my case, including side intake, all maxed out tongue.gif

The Tri-X does a really good job at cooling VRM's I gotta say.

I'll tell ya even better. At +150mV, which is what I run now, I can run 1200Mhz as well but it artifacts now and then with random white checkerboards so I turned clocks down to 1180Mhz and that ran fine for 3 rounds of BF4 with no arti's. Temps were of ''godlike'' proportions at 100% fan. 68c core and only 71c VRM1.

I'll post some screenshots later.. Lost my GPU-Z graph with temps due to a random reboot.. Had a tad too high VRAM clocks as I was testing how high my Hynix would go tongue.gif 1625Mhz (6500Mhz effective) appears to be fully stable.
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Well, yeah, but that's with the fan on 100% and the intake fans of my case, including side intake, all maxed out tongue.gif

The Tri-X does a really good job at cooling VRM's I gotta say.

I'll tell ya even better. At +150mV, which is what I run now, I can run 1200Mhz as well but it artifacts now and then with random white checkerboards so I turned clocks down to 1180Mhz and that ran fine for 3 rounds of BF4 with no arti's. Temps were of ''godlike'' proportions at 100% fan. 68c core and only 71c VRM1.

I'll post some screenshots later.. Lost my GPU-Z graph with temps due to a random reboot.. Had a tad too high VRAM clocks as I was testing how high my Hynix would go tongue.gif 1625Mhz (6500Mhz effective) appears to be fully stable.

Yeah I'm amazed at the Tri-X vrm temps because my experience with Sapphire is iffy vrm cooling. I didn't think it'd be possible to get better than high 70s core low 80s vrm1 in air cooled crossfire for gpu1 but the Tri-X is staying sub 70c. I'm amazed and delighted, especially since I run a quiet mid tower with under volted Noctuas.

Tri-X fans are loud though. I don't see how you can live with 100% on those fans.
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Well, as my rad fans are 6 2000RPM Noiseblocker PWM fans which ramp to 100% above 45c i'm used to some noise biggrin.gif

Plus, they only ramp up to 100% when gaming which is when I use my headset anyway and the Siberia V2 is quite good at covering outside noise.
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Alright I finally took some pics...can I pweeze joinz da club now?? biggrin.gif





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Still testing overclocks at the moment - thinking I'll get pretty close to 1150 core with stock and minimal volt adjustment.
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So is the power limit bug caused by the latest AMD beta drivers or latest MSI afterburner beta? Might give a shot for those WHQL drivers then if they fix the issue (im not playing BF4 anyway so i dont use Mantle).
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