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post #19621 of 43950
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Originally Posted by Aussiejuggalo View Post

Tempting, FF has been buggy and crap since the last update lol

Died in DayZ and it seemed to fixed the artifacting I was getting to headscratch.gif kinda weird

I use FF all the time, and its pretty stable until you get to about a 5 day uptime with 200+ tabs open, I have my plugins set to ask-to-activate and I kill the plugincontainer every now and then.

and yea I think you might have just had a particle render bug that dieing triggered a refresh...

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Originally Posted by MapRef41N93W View Post

It's not a free utility. People spend hundreds of dollars on MSI's products and expect to get software that won't expire. Personally I would have no problem paying for the utility as it is much better than all the other software from the major GPU makers out there, but that isn't exactly an option now is it?

you do realize afterburner isn't vendor-locked right? and so what if it doesn't get updated for another few months, if I can use a 2 month old version it must be pretty stable no?
its a tool, don't be so attached to things, learn to let go.
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post #19622 of 43950
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I use FF all the time, and its pretty stable until you get to about a 5 day uptime with 200+ tabs open, I have my plugins set to ask-to-activate and I kill the plugincontainer every now and then.

and yea I think you might have just had a particle render bug that dieing triggered a refresh...
you do realize afterburner isn't vendor-locked right? and so what if it doesn't get updated for another few months, if I can use a 2 month old version it must be pretty stable no?
its a tool, don't be so attached to things, learn to let go.
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i wonder why other manufacturures that even use the same damn chip dont cover overclocking or dont have a proper overclocking tool and then the companies that do dont recommend using their tool on different cards
they can at least tell you they wont support you in any way but that its expected to work without any problems.
i have used msi-afterburner on my powercolor 290 and powercolor doesnt cover overclocking, its just stupid even when companies give you a bloody bios switch mad.gif
post #19623 of 43950
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I'm curious how well it would perform under LN2...but the performance of it in the review goes to show that the silicon lottery is more important than extra VRMs and other enhancements don't mean much unless you get a good chip.  My reference XFX outpaces it on core and RAM, albeit I have Hynix...but why did they use Elpida on their elite card?  Plus they STILL haven't fixed the cooler!  I can't believe they would let something like that slide on the Matrix card.  Between what I have see in this thread regarding the 290(X) cards and recent experiences with ASUS tech support, I am no longer an ASUS supporter.  

Why does the cooler matter? You're not supposed to run this on air. And 1500/2000 on an ootb oc with stock cooler is unfrigginbelievably good, if you're beating that on a reference board you are so lucky you shouldn't even be complaining about anything amd related, you should be in a corner hugging yourself, giggling.
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its just stupid even when companies give you a bloody bios switch mad.gif

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the switch is just for Quiet and Uber mode... It's not intended for having a back-up if your flash goes wrong. Sure, it's what almost every entjusiast who flashed his card appreciated, but not it's intended purpose.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the switch is just for Quiet and Uber mode... It's not intended for having a back-up if your flash goes wrong. Sure, it's what almost every entjusiast who flashed his card appreciated, but not it's intended purpose.

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are you kidding me..

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Originally Posted by centvalny View Post

Hynix probably can do higher with more relax ram timings

I'm pretty sure all the 290(X) cards with Hynix memory are using the stock rated 5 GHz chips, mine run around 6.7GHz-6.8GHz stable in every bench or game I've thrown at them. I know nothing about RAM timings between Elpida and Hynix, but the information could be out there somewhere. H5GQ2H24AFR is the Hynix model number which you can google and find Hynix's specs on the RAM, but all of the specs listed are a range. It would be difficult to ascertain what the exact timings are; anyone know? I never thought to compare cards clock for clock that are using the different memory brands. It poses the problem of having all other hardware being identical to get a legit comparison though.

One could argue that the RAM speed isn't as important on these cards with the enormous 512-bit bus, but it really depends on what benchmark/game you're running; at least from what I've found from testing my 290. I ran 3DMark 11 Performance/Extreme presets, Unigine Heaven/Valley, and FFXIV benchmark with stock 1500 and OC up to 1700. The newer the application, the more it gained from RAM clocks; with FFXIV benchmark gaining the most at nearly 10%. On average for the 5 benchmarks it was ~5%. You can find a spreadsheet with exact figures in my build log.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1456279/honey-i-shrunk-the-ultra-tower-beast-my-journey-to-creating-a-more-compact-pc-with-an-r9-290

All of this aside, it doesn't change the fact ASUS made poor decisions for that card. It's made to go under LN2, and on air/water that RAM, most likely, isn't going to perform very well. They could have went with Samsung as an alternative to Hynix or Elpida. Heck, they could have even showboated a little and tossed the 7GHz Samsung modules in there like the 770/780 come equipped with; that usually clock to 8GHz.
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post #19627 of 43950
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Why does the cooler matter? You're not supposed to run this on air. And 1500/2000 on an ootb oc with stock cooler is unfrigginbelievably good, if you're beating that on a reference board you are so lucky you shouldn't even be complaining about anything amd related, you should be in a corner hugging yourself, giggling.

 

1500/2000?  What card are you looking at, the Matrix in that review went to 1150/1562?

 

I'm not complaining, and it wasn't directed at AMD.  I'm pointing out where they obviously didn't care.  Regardless of if the card is made for LN2, the cooler on it shouldn't have been borrowed from the Nvidia design, especially when this has been well documented since the DC2 was released.

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are you kidding me..


Short answer: yes, I was.

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i wonder why other manufacturures that even use the same damn chip dont cover overclocking or dont have a proper overclocking tool and then the companies that do dont recommend using their tool on different cards
they can at least tell you they wont support you in any way but that its expected to work without any problems.
i have used msi-afterburner on my powercolor 290 and powercolor doesnt cover overclocking, its just stupid even when companies give you a bloody bios switch mad.gif

most of the time everyone just uses the same or similar controllers that reference uses, simply for its simplicity, reliability and driver support, a common exception being ASUS cards tend to use completely different hardware and BIOS for... I don't really know why...

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the switch is just for Quiet and Uber mode... It's not intended for having a back-up if your flash goes wrong. Sure, it's what almost every entjusiast who flashed his card appreciated, but not it's intended purpose.

The devil is in the detail, every now and then wink.gif

the dual-BIOS design generally originates from the older HD 5K cards, sapphire (and I think one other company) made their vaporX and toxic cards with such spastic cooling and potential they also gave it a switchable BIOS to allow two different stock settings, one being basic stock and the other having higher clocks and voltage for greater performance at the cost of more heat, noise and power draw (PSU issues were very common).

there's a side effect to having two BIOSs, you now can also allow the extra BIOS to be flashed to something more custom while still having a reserve to counter the issue of the classic bad flash, usually to fix a bad flash involved having to use a secondary display adapter or card to get past POST first, now you don't have to, AMD being so OC friendly they then decided to make this an official feature of the 6970, and eventually the superspastic 79x0 with its GCN and 2-4 times the amount of shader threads then its previous and competition. eventually a 3rd advantage came up that meant all these first 7970s could be upgraded to a GHz edition without problems, and if your card wasn't compatible you could just flash it back or use the other BIOS.

so in general its now just a standard for AMD and their mid-to-high range cards to have the two BIOSs and their vendors can do whatever they please with this feature, and of course warranty can never cover overclocking as its just simply not their fault if something goes horribly wrong because you made the hardware go harder then it was intended to do. Most BIOS related issues are covered by warranty still provided it wasn't OC related, ie you went to test an updated BIOS and somehow screwed up both ROMs, they will usually be happy to flash it back again for you, but if you used a special BIOS that had uncapped clocks or a board TDP and the card suffers damage they cant really cover that.
   
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afaik, it affects both red and green. weird thing is i can leave mine enabled on both my sigs and don't get bsods. HD7770 and 290.

Mine doesnt so it all the time it seems to be every so often it'll bsod mad.gif
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Originally Posted by Paul17041993 View Post

I use FF all the time, and its pretty stable until you get to about a 5 day uptime with 200+ tabs open, I have my plugins set to ask-to-activate and I kill the plugincontainer every now and then.

and yea I think you might have just had a particle render bug that dieing triggered a refresh...

Thats a lot of porn tongue.gif

My FF only seems to crash with 3 1080p videos buffering at once or when I look at really high res pictures like build logs on here

Yeah it was weird in DayZ, then again its running of a pretty crappy game engine in my opinion biggrin.gif
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