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Well, I think even the 780TI should go for around $300 max but that's not happening and there's a reason why the 770 exists.
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Hey guys, just wondering about the R9 290X Powercolour card, its $120 cheaper than the others, does it not overclock well?
I want to put a block on it so aftermarket cooling isn't something I need (as I know that the stock blowers are horrible)

I'll likely get it from PCCaseGear or Computer Alliance.

I'm running 1080P, I was going to get a second 7970 for CFX, but if I get a 290X, the performance is better right? I could get a second in the future, will the 8350 hold me back from the second or would I still benefit from it?
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Hey guys, just wondering about the R9 290X Powercolour card, its $120 cheaper than the others, does it not overclock well?
I want to put a block on it so aftermarket cooling isn't something I need (as I know that the stock blowers are horrible)

I'll likely get it from PCCaseGear or Computer Alliance.

I'm running 1080P, I was going to get a second 7970 for CFX, but if I get a 290X, the performance is better right? I could get a second in the future, will the 8350 hold me back from the second or would I still benefit from it?

To start with that is a cheap 290X! As it's reference there is basically no difference apart from the stickers on it/branding on the box. The only thing that changes is the warranty however.

If you want to waterblock it, i think it's the way to go! thumb.gif
As the majority of non-ref cards have non-ref PCB's which means you won't (or at least will struggle) to get a block for it, assuming you're talking about a fullcover one that is.

I'd say to not get a second 7970/280x for Crossfire, as a 290x works out cheaper (once you sell the 7970) and you can add another one later easier (Adding three 7970's is hard as the power, heat and space). You will lose a reasonable amount of performance in going to a 290x instead of two 7970's but the crossfire issues aren't present, you'll have less power and heat to deal with (Once you waterblock it). It's also a cheaper solution to watercool as you only need one block.

I came from Crossfire 7950's myself, I'd had them modded to run 280W and overclocked to 1150/1250 or so and a 290 is a bit of a downgrade but I don't really notice it all that much as everything I play still runs fine and lacks crossfire/stuttering issues now.

That being said I've had more problems with 290 drivers so far, BUT they will get better, whereas 7970 Crossfire won't.
 
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To start with that is a cheap 290X! As it's reference there is basically no difference apart from the stickers on it/branding on the box. The only thing that changes is the warranty however.

If you want to waterblock it, i think it's the way to go! thumb.gif
As the majority of non-ref cards have non-ref PCB's which means you won't (or at least will struggle) to get a block for it, assuming you're talking about a fullcover one that is.

I'd say to not get a second 7970/280x for Crossfire, as a 290x works out cheaper (once you sell the 7970) and you can add another one later easier (Adding three 7970's is hard as the power, heat and space). You will lose a reasonable amount of performance in going to a 290x instead of two 7970's but the crossfire issues aren't present, you'll have less power and heat to deal with (Once you waterblock it). It's also a cheaper solution to watercool as you only need one block.

I came from Crossfire 7950's myself, I'd had them modded to run 280W and overclocked to 1150/1250 or so and a 290 is a bit of a downgrade but I don't really notice it all that much as everything I play still runs fine and lacks crossfire/stuttering issues now.

That being said I've had more problems with 290 drivers so far, BUT they will get better, whereas 7970 Crossfire won't.

$549 is cheap for a 290x? I might grab me one later down the road, as I want to get a waterblock and fittings for it at the same time, I'm enjoying my silent system at the moment, and putting a turbine in my case isn't on my to-do list lol

I wont be selling the 7970, I have a row of systems that I have in the office, as I upgrade my primary, my secondary gets the parts, which go into the tertiary etc.

What clock speed do you think the 8350 will need to use the 290x at full potential? And perhaps adding a second one?

I'm mostly looking forward to the true audio, and Mantle advantages on the card, as I really the audio side of things, and I know this processor is going to be holding me back quite a bit.

Do we have any word on a new FX line, or top end chip form AMD this year? What happened to Steamroller?
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$549 is cheap for a 290x? I might grab me one later down the road, as I want to get a waterblock and fittings for it at the same time, I'm enjoying my silent system at the moment, and putting a turbine in my case isn't on my to-do list lol

I wont be selling the 7970, I have a row of systems that I have in the office, as I upgrade my primary, my secondary gets the parts, which go into the tertiary etc.

What clock speed do you think the 8350 will need to use the 290x at full potential? And perhaps adding a second one?

I'm mostly looking forward to the true audio, and Mantle advantages on the card, as I really the audio side of things, and I know this processor is going to be holding me back quite a bit.

Do we have any word on a new FX line, or top end chip form AMD this year? What happened to Steamroller?

$549.99 is where the 290X is supposed to be, that was the launch price of the card and then it sky rocketed for a while because of the mining craze so now suddenly people think they are getting a steal of a deal when the card goes back to its original msrp. Kind of like how they raise fuel prices to over $4.00 a gallon and then drop it back to $3.50 a gallon and watch people go nuts as they think they are getting a deal, lol.

Anyway, you will need a very hefty overclock on the 8350 to feed the 290X properly and for 2 in crossfire you will be severely CPU limited. My buddy has a 8350 clocked to 5ghz paired up with a 290X and we have compared a lot of stuff to my rig with a 2700K clocked to 4.8ghz which also houses a 290X and there are a few scenarios in games where my rig is giving a decent amount more FPS.

In gpu limited scenarios they are pretty close with mine still having the edge but when you get into a cpu limited situation the difference is pretty large.


None of this is to say that the 8350 is a bad chip, its not and you will still have a great gaming experience if you can get a decent overclock with it.
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$549 is cheap for a 290x? I might grab me one later down the road, as I want to get a waterblock and fittings for it at the same time, I'm enjoying my silent system at the moment, and putting a turbine in my case isn't on my to-do list lol

I wont be selling the 7970, I have a row of systems that I have in the office, as I upgrade my primary, my secondary gets the parts, which go into the tertiary etc.

What clock speed do you think the 8350 will need to use the 290x at full potential? And perhaps adding a second one?

I'm mostly looking forward to the true audio, and Mantle advantages on the card, as I really the audio side of things, and I know this processor is going to be holding me back quite a bit.

Do we have any word on a new FX line, or top end chip form AMD this year? What happened to Steamroller?

You should clock the 8350 to at least 4.6GHz to properly feed a 290/X. Seeing as my i5 is somewhat comparable to an 8350 and I need at least 4.4GHz in most games to get the most out of my 290 (when I had it) and 780. And AFAIK, there's been no word of new FX chips.
Edited by Jack Mac - 3/29/14 at 7:44am
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$549 is cheap for a 290x? I might grab me one later down the road, as I want to get a waterblock and fittings for it at the same time, I'm enjoying my silent system at the moment, and putting a turbine in my case isn't on my to-do list lol

I wont be selling the 7970, I have a row of systems that I have in the office, as I upgrade my primary, my secondary gets the parts, which go into the tertiary etc.

What clock speed do you think the 8350 will need to use the 290x at full potential? And perhaps adding a second one?

I'm mostly looking forward to the true audio, and Mantle advantages on the card, as I really the audio side of things, and I know this processor is going to be holding me back quite a bit.

Do we have any word on a new FX line, or top end chip form AMD this year? What happened to Steamroller?

Ah yep, fair enough.

I'm not sure about AMD's roadmap for new top end chips.

I'd also say that you want a pretty decent overclock to attain the max FPS you can get from it, but it should still be an improvement over a 7970.

To add mantle runs on 7xxx cards and a 7970 counts as that. The audio side of things isn't released yet so if that's what's pushing you over just wait to see how that pans out.

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$549.99 is where the 290X is supposed to be, that was the launch price of the card and then it sky rocketed for a while because of the mining craze so now suddenly people think they are getting a steal of a deal when the card goes back to its original msrp. Kind of like how they raise fuel prices to over $4.00 a gallon and then drop it back to $3.50 a gallon and watch people go nuts as they think they are getting a deal, lol.

Anyway, you will need a very hefty overclock on the 8350 to feed the 290X properly and for 2 in crossfire you will be severely CPU limited. My buddy has a 8350 clocked to 5ghz paired up with a 290X and we have compared a lot of stuff to my rig with a 2700K clocked to 4.8ghz which also houses a 290X and there are a few scenarios in games where my rig is giving a decent amount more FPS.

In gpu limited scenarios they are pretty close with mine still having the edge but when you get into a cpu limited situation the difference is pretty large.


None of this is to say that the 8350 is a bad chip, its not and you will still have a great gaming experience if you can get a decent overclock with it.

Yeah, but in Australia cards usually cost a lot more. I understand $550 is meant to be the MSRP of it in the states but getting the card for that price here is decent; Especially when the rest of the cards are around $650+ easily if not more. I've seen 290x's sell on eBay for $550 used so I do think it's a really good deal for us Australians still despite it still not being below MSRP.

If you're keen Noviets; You could go for a used one off ebay? I found quite a few 290's on there for like $450 and under the other day. thumb.gif
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You should clock the 8350 to at least 4.6GHz to properly feed a 290/X. Seeing as my i5 is somewhat comparable to an 8350 and I need at least 4.4GHz in most games to get the most out of my 290 (when I had it) and 780. And AFAIK, there's been no word of new FX chips.

I'm stock at the moment on the 3570k too, I'm keen to see what I get when I'm watercooled again (literally counting down the days) and when I can overclock the 290 a lot. (on water). I can say that at stock i'm being held back quite a bit. 4.6 is the max clock my chip can do unfortunately however.
 
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Ah yep, fair enough.

I'm not sure about AMD's roadmap for new top end chips.

I'd also say that you want a pretty decent overclock to attain the max FPS you can get from it, but it should still be an improvement over a 7970.

To add mantle runs on 7xxx cards and a 7970 counts as that. The audio side of things isn't released yet so if that's what's pushing you over just wait to see how that pans out.
Yeah, but in Australia cards usually cost a lot more. I understand $550 is meant to be the MSRP of it in the states but getting the card for that price here is decent; Especially when the rest of the cards are around $650+ easily if not more. I've seen 290x's sell on eBay for $550 used so I do think it's a really good deal for us Australians still despite it still not being below MSRP.

If you're keen Noviets; You could go for a used one off ebay? I found quite a few 290's on there for like $450 and under the other day. thumb.gif
I'm stock at the moment on the 3570k too, I'm keen to see what I get when I'm watercooled again (literally counting down the days) and when I can overclock the 290 a lot. (on water). I can say that at stock i'm being held back quite a bit. 4.6 is the max clock my chip can do unfortunately however.

Oh my bad, I didnt realize you were not in the states. redface.gif
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$549 is cheap for a 290x? I might grab me one later down the road, as I want to get a waterblock and fittings for it at the same time, I'm enjoying my silent system at the moment, and putting a turbine in my case isn't on my to-do list lol

I wont be selling the 7970, I have a row of systems that I have in the office, as I upgrade my primary, my secondary gets the parts, which go into the tertiary etc.

What clock speed do you think the 8350 will need to use the 290x at full potential? And perhaps adding a second one?

I'm mostly looking forward to the true audio, and Mantle advantages on the card, as I really the audio side of things, and I know this processor is going to be holding me back quite a bit.


Do we have any word on a new FX line, or top end chip form AMD this year? What happened to Steamroller?

http://www.macrumors.com/2012/08/01/key-apple-chip-designer-jim-keller-returns-to-amd/

 

This could mean good things for AMD.  Could also be why there hasn't been much information regarding a new chip anytime recently.

 

I'm putting my money on something completely new from AMD.  FX chips were a fairly big let down all things considered, especially considering heat/power consumption.

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Ah yep, fair enough.

I'm not sure about AMD's roadmap for new top end chips.

I'd also say that you want a pretty decent overclock to attain the max FPS you can get from it, but it should still be an improvement over a 7970.

To add mantle runs on 7xxx cards and a 7970 counts as that. The audio side of things isn't released yet so if that's what's pushing you over just wait to see how that pans out.
Yeah, but in Australia cards usually cost a lot more. I understand $550 is meant to be the MSRP of it in the states but getting the card for that price here is decent; Especially when the rest of the cards are around $650+ easily if not more. I've seen 290x's sell on eBay for $550 used so I do think it's a really good deal for us Australians still despite it still not being below MSRP.


If you're keen Noviets; You could go for a used one off ebay? I found quite a few 290's on there for like $450 and under the other day. thumb.gif
I'm stock at the moment on the 3570k too, I'm keen to see what I get when I'm watercooled again (literally counting down the days) and when I can overclock the 290 a lot. (on water). I can say that at stock i'm being held back quite a bit. 4.6 is the max clock my chip can do unfortunately however.

The reference blower can still show you what your card is capable of, granted you have to force the fan to 'leaf blower' mode...but it will cool the chip/VRMs so the card doesn't throttle.  I was able to push the core on my XFX Black Edition to 1200+ with the stock blower fan set at 75%.  After going under water I was only able to squeeze roughly another 40-80 MHz, depending on benchmark, out of the core; memory clocks were not affected.  The biggest improvement is undoubtedly noise, and after that temperatures. Either you will get a good clocking chip, or you won't...that's the silicon lottery. 

 

Check out my build log if you want, there is a spreadsheet with all of my overclocking for benchmarking listing clocks, voltages, scores, etc.


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Intel Core i7 4770k Delidded ASUS Z87 Gryphon Power Color RX Vega 64 
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EK FC Vega - Nickel/Plexi Corsair Dominator Platinum 16GB 2400 MHz Crucial M500 240Gb Intel 530 240GB 
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OCZ Vertex 3 128GB XSPC Raystorm XSPC EX240 XSPC EX240 
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Koolance Compression Fittings Feser Silver Tubing Corsair SP120 High Performance x4 XSPC Dual 5.25" Reservoir 
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Swiftech MCP-655 Yate Loon 20mm Medium Speed x2 Windows 10 Pro LG 23EA63V-P 23" Slim LED IPS 
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LG 23EA63V-P 23" Slim LED IPS LG 23EA63V-P 23" Slim LED IPS Logitech G510 Corsair RX1000X 
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Corsair Obsidian 350D Corsair Sabre RGB Corsair Vengeance MM600 Logitech Z623 
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Corsair Gaming Void RGB Headset Z87 Gryphon Armor Kit 
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Intel Core i5 4250U Intel NUC BOXD54250WYKH1 Intel HD5000 Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB DDR3L 
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Crucial M500 mSATA Windows 7 Ultimate LG 50" LED 120Hz TV Logitech K400 
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Logitech K400 
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Ryzen R7 1700 ASRock AB350m Pro 4 Gigabyte GTX 1060 6GB G1 Gaming Patriot Viper 4 - 8GB DDR4 3200MHz (PV48G320C6K) 
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Toshiba Q Series 128GB 6TB Toshiba N300 Samsung 4TB External Sandisk X110 256GB M.2  
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Panasonic UJ-265 Slim 6X Blu-ray Writer Cryorig M9 92mm Mini-Tower SilenX Effizio Thermistor Windows 10 Pro 
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Sharp Aquos 60" 120Hz Logitech K800 EVGA 850G2 SuperNova Silverstone GD09B 
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