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post #20201 of 43973
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Id just flash the Asus PT1T bios its unlocked and got me this smile.gif

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/7725420 whistle.gif

That's great. I'm number 9 in the hall of fame. thumb.gif

http://www.3dmark.com/hall-of-fame-2/fire+strike+3dmark+score+extreme+preset/version+1.1

I already have a different manufacturer bios flash, but I'd like to do some of my own tweaks. It doesn't seem like any of the old amd bios editors work. mad.gif
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post #20202 of 43973
After some more testing on the Tri OC with 3dmark11 Perfomance:

1150mhz Core/ 1500mhz VRAM +50mv offset +50% power fan speed auto, 20% with ramp to 80%
Gradual throttling in all tests to 937mhz score is 15200 average load temp is 78 degrees

1150mhz Core/ 1500mhz VRAM +50mv offset +50% power fan speed 80%
Full clock stability with 3dmark 11, final score is 16380 average load temp is 72 degrees

1200mhz core/ 1500mhz VRAM +100mv offset +50%power fan speed 80%
Gradual throttling on 2nd test to 1000mhz when AMP draw is >140A score 14999 average load temp is 78 degrees


This is really weird, I thought Sapphire made their card independent of the fan speed impact on the performance envelope. Anyone have ideas?

After more reading, it seems the default BIOS on the 290 is the Silent profile. Is there a chance anyone has an Uber BIOS equivalent for this card? I have a hunch it will remove the throttling issue. Also, how are the watercoolers getting around this issue since theres technically 0% fan speed.

ack Overclocking is so complicated now, and I thought Fermi was a pain in the ass with the Power Limiter.
post #20203 of 43973
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Originally Posted by Dasboogieman View Post

After some more testing on the Tri OC with 3dmark11 Perfomance:

1150mhz Core/ 1500mhz VRAM +50mv offset +50% power fan speed auto, 20% with ramp to 80%
Gradual throttling in all tests to 937mhz score is 15200 average load temp is 78 degrees

1150mhz Core/ 1500mhz VRAM +50mv offset +50% power fan speed 80%
Full clock stability with 3dmark 11, final score is 16380 average load temp is 72 degrees

1200mhz core/ 1500mhz VRAM +100mv offset +50%power fan speed 80%
Gradual throttling on 2nd test to 1000mhz when AMP draw is >140A score 14999 average load temp is 78 degrees


This is really weird, I thought Sapphire made their card independent of the fan speed impact on the performance envelope. Anyone have ideas?

After more reading, it seems the default BIOS on the 290 is the Silent profile. Is there a chance anyone has an Uber BIOS equivalent for this card? I have a hunch it will remove the throttling issue. Also, how are the watercoolers getting around this issue since theres technically 0% fan speed.

ack Overclocking is so complicated now, and I thought Fermi was a pain in the ass with the Power Limiter.
It seems like you actually need more juice. Up the voltage a bit for the 1200mhz run.
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post #20204 of 43973
Upping the voltage seems to accelerate the throttling for me. It seems the tradeoff at the moment is high voltage, high clockspeed for a short duration or lower voltage and prolonged clock stability.
post #20205 of 43973
Add me too, please smile.gif

Validation

Sapphire R9 290 Tri-X OC on stock cooling cool.gif

http://www.overclock.net/t/294838/the-cooler-master-690-club/19240#post_22050031


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Use the 13.12 drivers (no throttling) and run the Unigine Heaven 4.0 in "Custom" 1920x1080 (full screen) and settings set on Extreme
Show us the score of the benchmark at 1200/1500 thumb.gif
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post #20206 of 43973
Exactly. Your probably using the 14.xx drivers. Those have broken power limits.
13.12 works fine.
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post #20207 of 43973
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Originally Posted by Dasboogieman View Post

After some more testing on the Tri OC with 3dmark11 Perfomance:

1150mhz Core/ 1500mhz VRAM +50mv offset +50% power fan speed auto, 20% with ramp to 80%
Gradual throttling in all tests to 937mhz score is 15200 average load temp is 78 degrees

1150mhz Core/ 1500mhz VRAM +50mv offset +50% power fan speed 80%
Full clock stability with 3dmark 11, final score is 16380 average load temp is 72 degrees

1200mhz core/ 1500mhz VRAM +100mv offset +50%power fan speed 80%
Gradual throttling on 2nd test to 1000mhz when AMP draw is >140A score 14999 average load temp is 78 degrees


This is really weird, I thought Sapphire made their card independent of the fan speed impact on the performance envelope. Anyone have ideas?

After more reading, it seems the default BIOS on the 290 is the Silent profile. Is there a chance anyone has an Uber BIOS equivalent for this card? I have a hunch it will remove the throttling issue. Also, how are the watercoolers getting around this issue since theres technically 0% fan speed.

ack Overclocking is so complicated now, and I thought Fermi was a pain in the ass with the Power Limiter.

 

What program are you using to OC?

 

Ditch 14.X drivers if you're using them, scrub with DDU so there aren't any driver conflicts and try 13.12.

 

Whether you use Sapphire Trixx of MSI AB, make sure you disable ULPS and force constant voltage to help with stability.  Keep the power limit at 50%. 

 

Your score probably dropped from the 1150 to 1200 run because of additional voltage required.  For 1200 MHz core, on air, you may need a little more than +100mV depending on how good of a card you have.  Couldn't hurt to try reducing your VRAM clocks; they really are 'second fiddle' to the core on these cards with the ginormous 512-bit bus.

 

What temperatures for core and VRM1 are you getting during benchmarks?  The card shouldn't throttle until it surpasses 95C on the core.  Issues seem to rise once VRM1 temps are in the 90C+ range.

 

If you're running a custom fan profile the BIOS switch setting shouldn't make a difference. 

 

Water cools everything enough to make it more efficient than on air, thus reducing voltage/power requirements.  My voltage requirements dropped when I went to water, as well as allowing me to push the card a little further.  I run out of overclocking ability of my card before I run into any temperature limits; my card goes up to 1300/1700 with +200mV.


Edited by Roboyto - 4/6/14 at 11:34pm
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post #20208 of 43973
MSI afterburner without CCC support. VRM temperatures top out at 85 degrees. Disabled ULPS but the throttling still persists. Its a fresh 13.12 install since I got rid of the NVIDIA drivers.

Seems so far

1150mhz core/ 1400mhz RAM +25mv with 55% fan speed seems to be the most consistent so far.
Seems to me this is an issue with tripping the board power limit, the higher temperatures from the Air cooling vs water cooling may make the difference.

Ordered a backplate so hopefully the VRMs are happier. Might actually go watercooling if this throttling shows up in games later on.
post #20209 of 43973
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MSI afterburner without CCC support. VRM temperatures top out at 85 degrees. Disabled ULPS but the throttling still persists. Its a fresh 13.12 install since I got rid of the NVIDIA drivers.

Seems so far

1150mhz core/ 1400mhz RAM +25mv with 55% fan speed seems to be the most consistent so far.
Seems to me this is an issue with tripping the board power limit, the higher temperatures from the Air cooling vs water cooling may make the difference.

Ordered a backplate so hopefully the VRMs are happier. Might actually go watercooling if this throttling shows up in games later on.

 

That is a large OC with only +25mV; my card needed +75mV to reach that high on the core when I was running the reference cooler.  I did get my card up to 1215/1675 +125mV with reference cooler, but I do have an above average performer. 

 

I don't think you've hit the power limit yet at that low of a voltage; See pic below

 

And that is with my little 650W Rosewill Capstone PSU :)

 

Maybe give Trixx a shot, I had issues with afterburner right out of the gate. 

 

I'm going to be adding thermal pads under my backplate in the near future too see if they make a difference or not.  For the sake of efficiency it couldn't hurt to upgrade thermal pads on your air cooler, they dropped VRM1 temps with my waterblock over 20%. Fujipoly Ultra Extreme:   http://www.frozencpu.com/products/17504/thr-185/Fujipoly_Ultra_Extreme_System_Builder_Thermal_Pad_-_Mosfet_Block_-_100_x_15_x_10_-_Thermal_Conductivity_170_WmK.html

 

http://www.overclock.net/t/1468593/r9-290-x-thermal-pad-upgrade-vrm-temperatures


Edited by Roboyto - 4/6/14 at 11:54pm
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post #20210 of 43973
1.4v? holy crap!!!

how are you guys getting a consistent clockspeed?
anything above 1.23V sets off the throttling for me. And this is just Futuremark 11. Performance actually goes down for me.
Defective card perhaps? my ASIC quality is 78.9%.

EDIT: Sapphire TRIXX seems to have done the trick, no more throttling even with +100mv and the fan on 25%
Edited by Dasboogieman - 4/6/14 at 11:55pm
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