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The difference is I'm not expecting miracles. Unfortunately it is more difficult for some to read sarcasm then write it wink.gif.
I am glad you are excited about this product.

AIO water cooled cards become a huge liability for manufacturers because if they leak or there is issues there becomes a fine line between warranty and no warranty.
"There was a pin sized hole in your tubing that caused the leak, it is caused by the user, your RMA is denied"

People pay for what they want or what they feel is good.

Price per performance is a different story. Look at the titan-z for example, it is a joke


I'm sorry to be this frank but have you seen what has been happening with CPU cooling for the last 3+ years??? Well, in case you have not noticed it's easily 75% AIO wattercooler. Have you heard or seen any horror stories of those failing and burning out systems? I certainly have not, anywhere on the net. Hence the reason they are so popular. Also here is a fun fact of the day for you - distilled water is non-conductive. Which is what all these cooler use.

Just so you know, I picked up on your sarcasm in the first place. I just think this is a case of 'if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything' - yet people like to beat down anything that might not fit their current liking. I guarantee you that if you had a mini-itx build and wanted crossfire for a 4K monitor(money no object) and had no space for it, then this would be a golden ticket.rolleyes.gif
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I'm definitely surprised that AMD could launch such a beast of a card on a single PCB when the single-core 290/290X had lots of bumps in terms of cooling. Even though the non-reference coolers have mostly fixed that, VRM temps still get pretty hot.

Due to having a 1440p monitor @ 120Hz, I really wish I could get my hands on the performance of the 295x2, since my "measly" 7950 is approximately 35~40% of its performance. Even with a 1300/1700 OC on my 7950, I can almost reach stock GTX 780/R9 290 speeds (keyword is almost). But since I have an ITX system, I am limited to just one PCI-E slot, so CF outside of a single PCB solution is out of the question. Cooling would be no problem though, I already use 2x 240mm rads (one 58mm, one 35mm thick) + 1x 120mm rad (35mm thick).

I have seen a few instances of AIO coolers failing, such as the pump dying (most common) or the ever-so rare leak. Also, AIO coolers DO NOT just use distilled water. They often use aluminum radiators, so they have some sort of mix to prevent corrosion. Any leak from an AIO will result in dead components, unless it was prevented right away.
    
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I'm sorry to be this frank but have you seen what has been happening with CPU cooling for the last 3+ years??? Well, in case you have not noticed it's easily 75% AIO wattercooler. Have you heard or seen any horror stories of those failing and burning out systems? I certainly have not, anywhere on the net. Hence the reason they are so popular. Also here is a fun fact of the day for you - distilled water is non-conductive. Which is what all these cooler use.

Just so you know, I picked up on your sarcasm in the first place. I just think this is a case of 'if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything' - yet people like to beat down anything that might not fit their current liking. I guarantee you that if you had a mini-itx build and wanted crossfire for a 4K monitor(money no object) and had no space for it, then this would be a golden ticket.rolleyes.gif

You've never heard of an AIO pump dying, leaking, or failing? Anywhere on the net? Go click the water cooling sub forum, theres plenty of stories there. Have you ever heard of corsair biggrin.gif ?
There is tons of AIO's that die or have issues

Also, I had no malicious intent with my post. However, if you picked up on the sarcasm and still continued a conversation just to 'if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything' then that's foolish tongue.gif

Everyone has an opinion. I did nothing more than state fact that its 2 290x on one board. I'm not bashing anything. Whether they put a fancy shroud or however you seek to justify this card then so be it, this is why I gave the titan-z example. ( it's not worth the money and people who buy it are entitled to, however, you can't persuade your own justifications to other people as if it is a fact )

By the way, Kokin already mentioned but, what you mentioned about AIO's is not fact so please do the research and double check what you post, some other user might read your post and actually think it was a fact. thumb.gif
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I'm definitely surprised that AMD could launch such a beast of a card on a single PCB when the single-core 290/290X had lots of bumps in terms of cooling. Even though the non-reference coolers have mostly fixed that, VRM temps still get pretty hot.

Due to having a 1440p monitor @ 120Hz, I really wish I could get my hands on the performance of the 295x2, since my "measly" 7950 is approximately 35~40% of its performance. Even with a 1300/1700 OC on my 7950, I can almost reach stock GTX 780/R9 290 speeds (keyword is almost). But since I have an ITX system, I am limited to just one PCI-E slot, so CF outside of a single PCB solution is out of the question. Cooling would be no problem though, I already use 2x 240mm rads (one 58mm, one 35mm thick) + 1x 120mm rad (35mm thick).

I have seen a few instances of AIO coolers failing, such as the pump dying (most common) or the ever-so rare leak. Also, AIO coolers DO NOT just use distilled water. They often use aluminum radiators, so they have some sort of mix to prevent corrosion. Any leak from an AIO will result in dead components, unless it was prevented right away.

if you are able to get by a 7950, then you should with a 290.

7900 crossed

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/6233890

290 @ 1100 using 14.3

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/8211253
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You've never heard of an AIO pump dying, leaking, or failing? Anywhere on the net? Go click the water cooling sub forum, theres plenty of stories there. Have you ever heard of corsair biggrin.gif ?
There is tons of AIO's that die or have issues

Also, I had no malicious intent with my post. However, if you picked up on the sarcasm and still continued a conversation just to 'if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything' then that's foolish tongue.gif

Everyone has an opinion. I did nothing more than state fact that its 2 290x on one board. I'm not bashing anything. Whether they put a fancy shroud or however you seek to justify this card then so be it, this is why I gave the titan-z example. ( it's not worth the money and people who buy it are entitled to, however, you can't persuade your own justifications to other people as if it is a fact )

By the way, Kokin already mentioned but, what you mentioned about AIO's is not fact so please do the research and double check what you post, some other user might read your post and actually think it was a fact. thumb.gif


AIO coolers use distilled water with additives(Propylene glycol) that prevent corrosion. That IS A FACT, feel free to read google reputable sources for that and so can Kokin for that matter. So yes, please do YOUR research,rolleyes.gif I'm not here to educate anyone.


90% of the stories are from teenagers that did something to cause a leak, twisted the lines, etc etc. The units are sealed very well and DON'T just leak. That is a reason why there are millions of them out there. And just like with any product failures happen.


I continued on the sarcasm to see if you had anything of value to add to the conversation, instead of the usual 'oh its been done before, who cares' I didn't expect much and that's exactly what I got. So in conclusion you are right about everything including, pat yourself on the back rolleyes.gif
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This OC is safe?

core voltage: 50mv
power limit: 50+
core clock: 1085 mhz
memory clock: 1300 mhz


max core temp: 80°C
vrm1 max:75 °C

r9 290 gaming msi
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This OC is safe?

core voltage: 50mv
power limit: 50+
core clock: 1085 mhz
memory clock: 1300 mhz


max core temp: 80°C
vrm1 max:75 °C

r9 290 gaming msi

 

"safe OC" is kind of a nebulous term, but having said that, at those temps yes its safe and a rather mild OC.

if you can get more airflow on the VRM do so, but they are made to run at those temps

Hope that helped :)

 

I own 4 x MSI R290X gaming GPUs so I am familiar with them.

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"safe OC" is kind of a nebulous term, but having said that, at those temps yes its safe and a rather mild OC.
if you can get more airflow on the VRM do so, but they are made to run at those temps
Hope that helped smile.gif

I own 4 x MSI R290X gaming GPUs so I am familiar with them.

thanks for the reply .. what I meant with OC sure is not going to kill the card?
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what I meant with OC sure is not going to kill the card?

You'll only know when it happens smile.gif

I ran all my AMD cards @ 1100-1175 and that was never a problem...
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"safe OC" is kind of a nebulous term, but having said that, at those temps yes its safe and a rather mild OC.
if you can get more airflow on the VRM do so, but they are made to run at those temps
Hope that helped smile.gif

I own 4 x MSI R290X gaming GPUs so I am familiar with them.

thanks for the reply .. what I meant with OC sure is not going to kill the card?

yes, unless you got a defective card that is a safe and mild overclock. The only point I wanted to make was occasionally you can get a card with a weak component. But that overclock is close to the OC they ship the MSI lightning with so with that voltage, and those temps you will be just fine.

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