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yea, your 1090T should be perfectly fine for the most part, only concern may be a couple games like BF4 that will push it to the absolute max, but even then, you'll likely still get better results than a 4-core i5 or i7.

benchmarks wise, you can use a lot of things, though you'll likely get a little less points then intel equivalents due to older tech in use etc, but definitely don't confuse this for game experience.
there's always a little throttle on these cards, the 14.x betas might be particularly nasty in that regard, heard trixx somewhat disables the clock variance though.

Shouldnt it throttle then it reaches 94 degrees? My oced card doesnt overcome 90 and vrm1 96 max.
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Shouldnt it throttle then it reaches 94 degrees? My oced card doesnt overcome 90 and vrm1 96 max.

the drivers do some estimations and such based on core and VRM temps, power draw and active fan headroom-to-max, so its quite possible what your getting is a result of over-aggression on the driver's behalf.
   
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Hello guys, today i checked my GPU oc potencial before deciding to buy waterblock and i noticed strange thing, then i set my card to 1200/1500, through heaven benchmark my core fluctuates 800-1200. However if i set to stock clock it looks more stable, 850-947. Is it possible that my OCZ 750W ZT PSU cant handle 2500k ( 4.2ghz) + single r9 290 (oced)? Or its related to 14.3 beta drivers? However i tried to run thief benchmark, and core stayed at 1200 all the time except for 0.5-1s dropped to 1050.

P.S. Arizonian - update me to aftermarket. I done it 2 weeks after buying my stock gpu, but had no time to put my photos somewhere. Here is the photos with hooked gelid icy vision, but it was not silent enough for me, so i decided to change fans to Be Quiet Shadow Wings 92mm (2nd pic):


The power limit is borked on 14.XX except for 14.4. So try other drivers to make it work better.

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yea, your 1090T should be perfectly fine for the most part, only concern may be a couple games like BF4 that will push it to the absolute max, but even then, you'll likely still get better results than a 4-core i5 or i7.





I have a few systems at home and 1 has a 1090T @ 4.1 Ghz and i can say from experience that it WILL botlleneck a 290. ( sorry didnt quoted properly )
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perhaps he hooked a monitor to it? it was only a few weeks old as he gave me the receipt.

Unless he loaded another BIOS on it, the card never went over 84c. Gigabyte throttles 10c cooler than the reference BIOS.

I would think the components should be rated for x number of hours of operation and it should not matter if those hours are consecutive or not...

Just because my car can go 140mph, doesn't mean I'm going to jump in it and drive that fast redlining the engine, until I run out of gas..refill the tank and do it again.

Some cards have no problem doing this, that is true, but it's still not good for them. Just because they can, doesn't mean you should.

You said open air? That can be a bad thing especially if the VRMs aren't staying cool enough from other airflow. If the core was throttling at 84 like Paul said, how hot was VRM1 during all this.

You said no overclock, but from the few things I have read people have been relying on undervolting and under clocking to keep temperatures at bay..
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I have a few systems at home and 1 has a 1090T @ 4.1 Ghz and i can say from experience that it WILL botlleneck a 290.
My doubt wasn't if it will, but how severe it will be. My Phenom is running at 4175Mhz with a 3.2Ghz NB.
Given certain scenarios it will happen with every CPU, but how hard would it be and would like to document it for further Phenom II users.
If my Phenom II is bottlenecking my 290 only in Skyrim and most other applications it will push the 290 usage to above 90% I would be pretty well satisfied cause that would be money I would save for the long run.
But if the 290 usage in games like BF4 is 50%~60% I would be very disappointed because I wouldn't be able to take full advantage of the GPU and would have to buy a new motherboard/cpu, something that I want to avoid for later iterations of Intel/AMD CPU's.

I plan on seeing how hard it is bottlenecking.
UPS is taking long but after the weekend I should have the card in my rig and I'll start with the testing/benching.
If it plays at the settings the card can handle with smoothness and only losing about 10% performance I'll be happy because regardless of losing 10% it'll still be a 200% increase in GPU performance over my old 6850 crossfire, plus increased smoothness from being single card and not being VRAM capped. Also power consumption will be lower when compared to the crossfire. All in all should be win win.
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My doubt wasn't if it will, but how severe it will be. My Phenom is running at 4175Mhz with a 3.2Ghz NB.
Given certain scenarios it will happen with every CPU, but how hard would it be and would like to document it for further Phenom II users.
If my Phenom II is bottlenecking my 290 only in Skyrim and most other applications it will push the 290 usage to above 90% I would be pretty well satisfied cause that would be money I would save for the long run.
But if the 290 usage in games like BF4 is 50%~60% I would be very disappointed because I wouldn't be able to take full advantage of the GPU and would have to buy a new motherboard/cpu, something that I want to avoid for later iterations of Intel/AMD CPU's.

I plan on seeing how hard it is bottlenecking.
UPS is taking long but after the weekend I should have the card in my rig and I'll start with the testing/benching.
If it plays at the settings the card can handle with smoothness and only losing about 10% performance I'll be happy because regardless of losing 10% it'll still be a 200% increase in GPU performance over my old 6850 crossfire, plus increased smoothness from being single card and not being VRAM capped. Also power consumption will be lower when compared to the crossfire. All in all should be win win.

i've used my thuban to run a 7970 and a 7950 - not crossfired. it handled the 2 quite well with no lag or apparent bottlenecking. the 290 is about 35% faster than a 7950 (my estimate). the thuban at 4 pushed both these cards to to their max in BF4 and BF3 MP 64 maxed using 1080.

i used Hwinfo64 to check cpu usage and they went pretty high . . .







i wish i can test using the 290 but it is watercooled. too much work.
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Okay so the past few days Ive been wondering how will my 1090T behave with the R9 290, I haven't seen any1 talking about and I'm in doubt if my ~4.175Mhz 1090T will be able to feed it to a point in which it won't be a massive bottleneck. Google gave me only a few people asking the same question but no relevant data.
The resolution will be 1080p, and when it gets here I will do some testing on OC speeds on my Phenom. Maybe some graphs going from Stock speed up to 4.2Ghz + Memory speeds from 1333Mhz CL7 1600Mhz CL9 and 2000Mhz CL11 + Northbridge OC. I'll also disable two cores to simulate a Phenom II Quad for my testings.
I also got the availability to buy a year old 3770k+MSI z77 Mpower for 250 euros, wondering if I should or not.

Anyway, I hope my findings don't dissapoint me and my Phenom shows itself still capable of playing in the big league, if it isn't I'll make a thread on either the AMD GPU section or the AMD CPU section with this info.

Anything I should take into consideration?
What benchmarks should I use for the test I plan on doing? And what software should I use to monitor my CPU usage + GPU usage?
I'll need a log of everything to have the thread built up nicely so any help I can get is welcome.


Last I recall reading and its been a while but a single gpu was barely if at all held back by a cpu. I think your gaming resolution and setting cs would be more important .when I benchmarked my r9 290s on a single 1080p screen on many benchmarks my performance didnt really increase at all. Now that I think about it my 680gtxs also faced similarities when single screen.

give it a whirl I would like to see how it works for you.
Edited by DeadlyDNA - 4/18/14 at 8:15am
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You would have to check the 290 -> 290X thread and use their info tool to determine if there is a chance it can unlock. Nowadays its a bit rare for a brand new card to unlock since the majority of the ones that did unlock were when they were high in demand and to make ends meet they would use the same boards and just flash the bios. Now that they've been catching up they either laser lock them or just use the 290 boards. The higher chances to unlocking are from people who buy old mining gear as it was during that time the cards were high in demand and they never bothered to check them (some do).

Thanks, downloaded the utility and my gpu is obviously core locked
Never mind, at least I've solved out one more mystery smile.gif
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Shouldnt it throttle then it reaches 94 degrees? My oced card doesnt overcome 90 and vrm1 96 max.

it's 14.3 that's causing the throttling when you apply voltage at higher clocks. try 13.12 or 13.11 for benching.
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