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Intel CPU (anything overclocked to 1.3v IvyBridge or later) and excluding 6 or more cores plus 290X is completely fine if you have a good 520w system.

All reviews show systems consuming 400-450 watts under a gaming load, and a tad over 500 in worst case scenarios when overclocking.

520 waats is fine for mild overclocking a 290X and an Intel chip. It's cutting it close, but is definitely OK if the PSU is decent.
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Originally Posted by mfknjadagr8 View Post

the card he's looking at has reference cooler and that's a big issue unless you plan to waterblock it anyway...
@GoLDii3 saying enthusiast and i5 didn't realy fit these days...and using the argument that they wouldn't put something on a psu that it couldn't handle isn't a great argument because even garbage oem psus contain this...in fact I had 300 watt ultra power supply years ago and it had two 6 pins...for that time even the 500 and 650s had just started using two...the hugo came with racing stripes back in the day...just saying
The point i was trying to make is that i bought the R9-290A-EDFD and the cooler was quite good it held the card just a bit over 70c if i remember right and was pretty quiet at 100%. BUT the card i got was something special, it had hynix bfr memory instead of normal afr memory and it performed better than most 290's.
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Ok bare with me guys I know very little about GPU's since my last system build was 7 years ago.

I looked up what a reference card was and I realize that is not what I want. And yes i do plan to water cool the GPU but not right away since I already have $2400 out of my pocket right now for this system.

I guess this is the card I have come to after reading your comments and looking at some benchmarks. What do you think ?

SAPPHIRE Radeon R9 290X 100361-4L 4GB 512-Bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 Tri-X OC(UEFI) Video Card, New Edition
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202145
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Originally Posted by GoLDii3 View Post

Please enlighten me on what "the whole story" is. The R9 290X is a VGA for gaming. Those reviews got their results by gaming - What else could be relevant?

I'd like to know according to you- What PSU the average enthusiast build with Intel and a R9 290X needs.

Most i5's barely go over 150W total power consumption at stock - You have 300-350W free wich is normally what a 8+6 Pin GPU consumes.

And just because a specific card has junk power management it doesn't mean all 290X peak to 400W sometimes.

You keep saying 520W is not enough,yet provide no proof. "Experience and knowledge" is not proof. rolleyes.gif And even if it was,review sites would have by far more credibility.

By the way...don't you think no OEM would put 8+6 pin to power a VGA if it wasn't enough...yet plenty of 550W PSU's have them...tongue.gif

Also i'd take a look at the 280X's power consumption..yep..totally NOT like the 290/290X tongue.gif

Please go read that article I posted and then come back and we'll talk.

Just because a card has an 8 and 6 pin connector doesn't mean it will only ever draw the rated power through it. Look at the 295x2, dual 8 pins on a card with two 290X GPUs. You can do the math. I'm not saying your 290x will do the same, but it can and will (at times) pull more than what those connectors are rated for. It should not be taken as gospel that that is all the power it will ever draw - "because connectors". It doesn't work that way.

There are plenty of lower power cards that use 8 and 6 pin connectors which are totally safe to run on your 520w PSU, that doesn't mean you can run any GPU, regardless, just because it has the same connectors. Again, it's not that simple.

Another thing about all these "reviews" you keep holding up as pure spoken truth; How long do these reviewer actually use and test these cards for? A day? A few hours? That's really about it. Just long enough to gather some number, slap them on a graph and show you where they stack up relative to the other cards on the market. The power consumption numbers are what they are, and again, that equipment is not inclusive of the true power draw characteristics of these cards. You'll also notice they don't use 520w PSUs for testing, they typically use units in the 750w+ range because they don't want anything to interfere with the performance of the components in their test system.

280X - 250w TDP
290X - 290w TDP
On a lower capacity PSU like the one you're using, that 40w difference can be the difference between being close to or on the limit and not.

The 290X doesn't have junk power management. Again, please go read that article. I'm not discussing this further with you until you do so. I don't have time for people who refuse to listen to reason and tell me I'm spouting BS. If you want to use your 520w unit, so right ahead. A number of us here have warned you.
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Originally Posted by Gumbi View Post

Intel CPU (anything overclocked to 1.3v IvyBridge or later) and excluding 6 or more cores plus 290X is completely fine if you have a good 520w system.

All reviews show systems consuming 400-450 watts under a gaming load, and a tad over 500 in worst case scenarios when overclocking.

520 watts is fine for mild overclocking a 290X and an Intel chip. It's cutting it close, but is definitely OK if the PSU is decent.

When it comes to PSU's, "cutting it close" is not "fine". The PSU is the most important part of a PC. I just don't understand the mentality behind using something that is barely enough and putting the rest of the system/components at risk. You're all certainly free to use whatever parts you wish, but I will hold to the fact that saying this is "ok" is not ok.
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Ok bare with me guys I know very little about GPU's since my last system build was 7 years ago.

I looked up what a reference card was and I realize that is not what I want. And yes i do plan to water cool the GPU but not right away since I already have $2400 out of my pocket right now for this system.

I guess this is the card I have come to after reading your comments and looking at some benchmarks. What do you think ?

SAPPHIRE Radeon R9 290X 100361-4L 4GB 512-Bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 Tri-X OC(UEFI) Video Card, New Edition
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202145

Excellent choice. One of the best 290X's on the market. thumb.gif
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Great thank you !
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Originally Posted by MEC-777 View Post

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Please go read that article I posted and then come back and we'll talk.

Just because a card has an 8 and 6 pin connector doesn't mean it will only ever draw the rated power through it. Look at the 295x2, dual 8 pins on a card with two 290X GPUs. You can do the math. I'm not saying your 290x will do the same, but it can and will (at times) pull more than what those connectors are rated for. It should not be taken as gospel that that is all the power it will ever draw - "because connectors". It doesn't work that way.

There are plenty of lower power cards that use 8 and 6 pin connectors which are totally safe to run on your 520w PSU, that doesn't mean you can run any GPU, regardless, just because it has the same connectors. Again, it's not that simple.

Another thing about all these "reviews" you keep holding up as pure spoken truth; How long do these reviewer actually use and test these cards for? A day? A few hours? That's really about it. Just long enough to gather some number, slap them on a graph and show you where they stack up relative to the other cards on the market. The power consumption numbers are what they are, and again, that equipment is not inclusive of the true power draw characteristics of these cards. You'll also notice they don't use 520w PSUs for testing, they typically use units in the 750w+ range because they don't want anything to interfere with the performance of the components in their test system.

280X - 250w TDP
290X - 290w TDP
On a lower capacity PSU like the one you're using, that 40w difference can be the difference between being close to or on the limit and not.

The 290X doesn't have junk power management. Again, please go read that article. I'm not discussing this further with you until you do so. I don't have time for people who refuse to listen to reason and tell me I'm spouting BS. If you want to use your 520w unit, so right ahead. A number of us here have warned you.
Already did,didn't show anything interesting.

Makes me wonder how can you pull off a 290 CFX with a 850W power supply,if according to your own logic,those cards can pull up to 400W. And since you have two,that would be 800W. And the rest of the system? Must be magic. tongue.gif

It's not about "lower capacity PSU" like you said. It's about math.

PC with i5/i7 at stock without GPU -> Max 150W

150 + 290 (Your supposed 290X TDP) = 440W

Seasonic SII12W +12V Rail wattage: 480W

It doesn't matter if it's close to the limit. 12V is rated to output 480W,it will output them without a single problem. It doesn't? Then it's a junk PSU. tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by MEC-777 View Post
  Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Please go read that article I posted and then come back and we'll talk.

Just because a card has an 8 and 6 pin connector doesn't mean it will only ever draw the rated power through it. Look at the 295x2, dual 8 pins on a card with two 290X GPUs. You can do the math. I'm not saying your 290x will do the same, but it can and will (at times) pull more than what those connectors are rated for. It should not be taken as gospel that that is all the power it will ever draw - "because connectors". It doesn't work that way.

There are plenty of lower power cards that use 8 and 6 pin connectors which are totally safe to run on your 520w PSU, that doesn't mean you can run any GPU, regardless, just because it has the same connectors. Again, it's not that simple.

Another thing about all these "reviews" you keep holding up as pure spoken truth; How long do these reviewer actually use and test these cards for? A day? A few hours? That's really about it. Just long enough to gather some number, slap them on a graph and show you where they stack up relative to the other cards on the market. The power consumption numbers are what they are, and again, that equipment is not inclusive of the true power draw characteristics of these cards. You'll also notice they don't use 520w PSUs for testing, they typically use units in the 750w+ range because they don't want anything to interfere with the performance of the components in their test system.


280X - 250w TDP
290X - 290w TDP Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
On a lower capacity PSU like the one you're using, that 40w difference can be the difference between being close to or on the limit and not.

The 290X doesn't have junk power management. Again, please go read that article. I'm not discussing this further with you until you do so. I don't have time for people who refuse to listen to reason and tell me I'm spouting BS. If you want to use your 520w unit, so right ahead. A number of us here have warned you.
When it comes to PSU's, "cutting it close" is not "fine". The PSU is the most important part of a PC. I just don't understand the mentality behind using something that is barely enough and putting the rest of the system/components at risk. You're all certainly free to use whatever parts you wish, but I will hold to the fact that saying this is "ok" is not ok.

 

 

TDP is not the same as power consumption.  It is the amount the heat that needs to be displaced under normal operating conditions.

 

Just want to be certain you are aware of this.

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Please go read that article I posted and then come back and we'll talk.

Just because a card has an 8 and 6 pin connector doesn't mean it will only ever draw the rated power through it. Look at the 295x2, dual 8 pins on a card with two 290X GPUs. You can do the math. I'm not saying your 290x will do the same, but it can and will (at times) pull more than what those connectors are rated for. It should not be taken as gospel that that is all the power it will ever draw - "because connectors". It doesn't work that way.

There are plenty of lower power cards that use 8 and 6 pin connectors which are totally safe to run on your 520w PSU, that doesn't mean you can run any GPU, regardless, just because it has the same connectors. Again, it's not that simple.

Another thing about all these "reviews" you keep holding up as pure spoken truth; How long do these reviewer actually use and test these cards for? A day? A few hours? That's really about it. Just long enough to gather some number, slap them on a graph and show you where they stack up relative to the other cards on the market. The power consumption numbers are what they are, and again, that equipment is not inclusive of the true power draw characteristics of these cards. You'll also notice they don't use 520w PSUs for testing, they typically use units in the 750w+ range because they don't want anything to interfere with the performance of the components in their test system.

280X - 250w TDP
290X - 290w TDP
On a lower capacity PSU like the one you're using, that 40w difference can be the difference between being close to or on the limit and not.

The 290X doesn't have junk power management. Again, please go read that article. I'm not discussing this further with you until you do so. I don't have time for people who refuse to listen to reason and tell me I'm spouting BS. If you want to use your 520w unit, so right ahead. A number of us here have warned you.
When it comes to PSU's, "cutting it close" is not "fine". The PSU is the most important part of a PC. I just don't understand the mentality behind using something that is barely enough and putting the rest of the system/components at risk. You're all certainly free to use whatever parts you wish, but I will hold to the fact that saying this is "ok" is not ok.

It's not barely enough though. When I say "cutting it close", I don't mean it's barely enough. For God's sake, here is a 290x vapor x system drawing 400 watts under load... Add in an overclock and you're still OK.

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/6818/sapphire-radeon-r9-290x-8gb-vapor-x-oc-video-card-review/index16.html
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Originally Posted by Gumbi View Post

It's not barely enough though. When I say "cutting it close", I don't mean it's barely enough. For God's sake, here is a 290x vapor x system drawing 400 watts under load... Add in an overclock and you're still OK.

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/6818/sapphire-radeon-r9-290x-8gb-vapor-x-oc-video-card-review/index16.html
funny thing being they recommended using a 600 watt quality unit for a 400watt draw...wonder why? wink.gif
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