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you wouldnt need more than 600/650W unit for a single gpu setup anyway

ive been running valley, lots of games (Crysis 3, GTA V, SRIV) etc on my 290 with a 500W psu with no problems

just dont go full retard with overclock/volting with it and you should probably be okay

maybe because im only using i3, but i plan to go with a 650W unit in the future as i plan to upgrade my whole system in less than a year or so
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When I was running an AMD 8350 @ 5ghz+ and a pair of 7950's last year I have had my system shutdown during a couple of benchmarks for drawing to much power. I have know idea what wattage it was drawing at that time due to not having a watt meter then.

I was thinking about going with a 1000-1200 watt PSU awhile back and was advised that my 850 watt was going quality and no need to go with that high of wattage for my setup and since going Intel I have not had any shutdowns due to drawing to much power from my PSU. If I were to add a 3rd 290x sure I would grab up a higher rated PSU, but things run great with what I have.

Head over to the components section under power supplies and read some of Shilka's threads on PSU's.
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I am no expert in such things but my dual r9 290s OC to 1100/1450 24/7 with a non OC i7 haswell 1 HDD 1 SSD 6 120 AF fans are running fine on a sub 100$ 730w PSU.
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A lot of posts for me to respond to. Will try to keep it brief...
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Originally Posted by GoLDii3 View Post

Already did,didn't show anything interesting.

Makes me wonder how can you pull off a 290 CFX with a 850W power supply,if according to your own logic,those cards can pull up to 400W. And since you have two,that would be 800W. And the rest of the system? Must be magic. tongue.gif

It's not about "lower capacity PSU" like you said. It's about math.

PC with i5/i7 at stock without GPU -> Max 150W

150 + 290 (Your supposed 290X TDP) = 440W

Seasonic SII12W +12V Rail wattage: 480W

It doesn't matter if it's close to the limit. 12V is rated to output 480W,it will output them without a single problem. It doesn't? Then it's a junk PSU. tongue.gif

Didn't show anything interesting? Ok, then. rolleyes.gif

Did my research when I chose my PSU. I don't OC my CPU and run my 290's stock because they run all my game fast enough without OCing. In that regard, I've got decent overhead. If I were to be OCing my CPU and GPUs daily, I would have gone with a 1000w unit, just for peace of mind, to have the extra overhead and know my PSU should last a long time as it's not being run on the ragged edge all the time.

Like I said before, I never said your 520w unit wouldn't work. I said it's not ideal and I would strongly recommend upgrading to something beefier for reliability and longevity sake. But do what you want. It's your system.

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Originally Posted by Roboyto View Post

TDP is not the same as power consumption.  It is the amount the heat that needs to be displaced under normal operating conditions.

Just want to be certain you are aware of this.

Yes, I am aware. It's still a good value to use to estimate the actual power draw of a GPU - which quite often can actually be higher than the TDP rating. wink.gif
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It's not barely enough though. When I say "cutting it close", I don't mean it's barely enough. For God's sake, here is a 290x vapor x system drawing 400 watts under load... Add in an overclock and you're still OK.

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/6818/sapphire-radeon-r9-290x-8gb-vapor-x-oc-video-card-review/index16.html

I guess it depends on how you define "cutting it close". I don't consider "cutting it close" (running a PSU at 90%+ load) to be "OK". Not for daily use. Just personal preference.

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Originally Posted by mus1mus View Post

This PSU thing has taken a lot of replies already.

I don't wanna mention any names but it seems that the confusion is growing.

I don't understand why some would not consider spending a little extra to get a little headroom on PSU power knowing that everything in the system connects to a power supply. If that thing goes bad for overloading, chances are, it will take components with itself. Does this even make sense?

Also, people are putting too much emphasis on spending a premium on high quality units more than power ratings. Even basing calculations to what reviewers shown. Like, a certain reviewer tested a unit past it's rated output. i.e. 1000W on an 850W unit.

Some people take this and buy an 850W unit when their calculated load would be around a 1000W --even more.

Doesn't sound so healthy of a thinking for me. But then, it'll take a hard lesson to learn on something that is generally accepted truth or even myth sometimes.

Good luck.

Well said. Just to comment on one thing; Power ratings and quality are both important. I don't recommend people buy crazy overpowered PSUs for their systems or also only buy the best top quality platinum units, but rather a balance where power and quality to price is reasonable, relative to what you need.

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Originally Posted by kizwan View Post

That is correct but if the card is outputting let say 250W of heat, how much power do you think the card is pulling? The answer is more. You can actually use TDP value especially with graphic card as a reference for how high (wattage) PSU you should get.

Yep.
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I am no expert in such things but my dual r9 290s OC to 1100/1450 24/7 with a non OC i7 haswell 1 HDD 1 SSD 6 120 AF fans are running fine on a sub 100$ 730w PSU.

What "works" and what is ideal are two very different things. I would say you're treading on thin ice. As mentioned before; I used to be one of those people saying "it works fine" until one day it didn't. Just sayin. wink.gif
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@ MEC 777.

400 watts (actually 397) is nowhere near 90% load on a 520 watt PSU. It's less than 80%. And it's not like you'll be gaming 24/7.

Like I said, if it's a quality PSU (like the aforementioned Seasonic, I don't see the problem).

I personally recommend 550 - 650 watt PSUs for 390/390X systems depending on whether it's an Intel CPU and/or how heavy the overclocking (especially on the GPU, overvolting can add quite a bit more wattage) will be.
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Originally Posted by Gumbi View Post

@ MEC 777.

400 watts (actually 397) is nowhere near 90% load on a 520 watt PSU. It's less than 80%. And it's not like you'll be gaming 24/7.

Like I said, if it's a quality PSU (like the aforementioned Seasonic, I don't see the problem).

I personally recommend 550 - 650 watt PSUs for 390/390X systems depending on whether it's an Intel CPU and/or how heavy the overclocking (especially on the GPU, overvolting can add quite a bit more wattage) will be.

you think the AMP on the 12V needs to be considered? it could be a low 500W PSU but if the AMP is putting out 41 or higher, then it would be good. i think there are some PSUs that are 600W and even higher put out less AMP on the 12V.

I had a 700W with my first 290, so i was not shy on adding +200 VDDC for 1300/1600 benching. Over a year ago . . .

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/3154307?
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@ MEC 777.

400 watts (actually 397) is nowhere near 90% load on a 520 watt PSU. It's less than 80%. And it's not like you'll be gaming 24/7.

Like I said, if it's a quality PSU (like the aforementioned Seasonic, I don't see the problem).

I personally recommend 550 - 650 watt PSUs for 390/390X systems depending on whether it's an Intel CPU and/or how heavy the overclocking (especially on the GPU, overvolting can add quite a bit more wattage) will be.

@GoLDii3's system could very well pull more than 400w at high load while gaming/benchmarking. Not every system is the same and there are other factors at work to consider.

I'm done with this PSU discussion. I will continue to make recommendations to others, but it's up to the individual to do what they want beyond that. I'm just trying to be helpful and save people time and money, ultimately. Take my advice or leave it (speaking more to @GoLDii3 here) I don't care. But don't put down what I'm trying to tell you just because you don't agree and claim I don't know what I'm talking about. Do what you want. If it works out for you, then great. If not, don' say I (and others) didn't warn you. wink.gif
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That's reassuring.

BTW bud, I think I read somewhere you mentioned your 290 is crap at mem OC.

Giga is it?
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@ MEC 777.

400 watts (actually 397) is nowhere near 90% load on a 520 watt PSU. It's less than 80%. And it's not like you'll be gaming 24/7.

Like I said, if it's a quality PSU (like the aforementioned Seasonic, I don't see the problem).

I personally recommend 550 - 650 watt PSUs for 390/390X systems depending on whether it's an Intel CPU and/or how heavy the overclocking (especially on the GPU, overvolting can add quite a bit more wattage) will be.

I'll just leave this here http://www.overclock.net/t/928113/a-message-to-the-community-on-enthusiast-power-supplies
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