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The driver can not see that you have the second card unplugged because it polls the operating system and guess what with the power unplugged try and find it in device manager....not happening...if somehow it did know it was there it would give crossfire as an option after installing drivers with one installed and powered and the other unplugged...also if in fact there are two versions of the driver as cyber stated why does crossfire work immediately when you install a new card on the same drivers or when you plug it back up after clean installing with it unplugged? Can you explain cyber or anyone who believes this?

It doesnt work when you install a second card on the same drivers. I have done that it doesnt read the second card, Even AMD Matt will tell you if you add a second card you have to reinstall the drivers. If you have drivers installed from a single card and put a second in it will not give you crossfire settings. At least it didn't for me and countless other threads made having the same exact issue.
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The driver can not see that you have the second card unplugged because it polls the operating system and guess what with the power unplugged try and find it in device manager....not happening...if somehow it did know it was there it would give crossfire as an option after installing drivers with one installed and powered and the other unplugged...also if in fact there are two versions of the driver as cyber stated why does crossfire work immediately when you install a new card on the same drivers or when you plug it back up after clean installing with it unplugged? Can you explain cyber or anyone who believes this?

It doesnt work when you install a second card on the same drivers. I have done that it doesnt read the second card, Even AMD Matt will tell you if you add a second card you have to reinstall the drivers. If you have drivers installed from a single card and put a second in it will not give you crossfire settings. At least it didn't for me and countless other threads made having the same exact issue.

I've done it when i ran Crossfire 290's and it worked fine unless they've gone backwards with Crimson in that regard....
 
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295x2 uses the same Hawaii cores as the 290x yes but they aren't the same, the Ares and Devil reads under GPU-Z as Crossfire (Hawaii) 290x's, the 295x2 doesn't, it reads as Vesuvius and Crossfire cannot be disabled on it (major difference there)

the 75c throttle temp is to prevent damage to the pump, the Devil obviously doesn't need that (being air cooled) and the Ares should never get close to that (EK waterblock).

and iirc the throttle temp on the 7990 was because of the vrm's proximity to the core.

but hey, AMD are stupid I guess......I mean why intentionally throttle the card if they didn't have to?

I am not saying they do not have to, I am saying there is another reason. It is not to protect a pump that is just hogwash.

"it reads as Vesuvius and Crossfire cannot be disabled on it (major difference there)" This is due to the way the bios is coded nothing more, My 290s say 390x in GPU Z they are not 390xs however there bios is. If you dont understand that then I can not help you. The crossfire being able to be disabled is again a bios feature by AMD and a change that PC and Asus made to there cards.

You need to go and do some research about reference vs non reference cards because you seem to both have a lack of understanding on the subject. Funny how every tech reivew wite on the planet calls the Devil 13 a 295x2, but hey they are stupid and dont know what they are talking about and you know better.

I did it pre omega like back in 14.4ish area and it did not work period. You can google and find many many threads about the subject and AMDs own reps saying you have to reinstall the drivers with both cards in but hey AMD Matt doesn't know what he is talking about.

BTW @Mega Man as you mentioned it, you blocked me due to the argument we had about power delivery in which the Power Supply Editor here on OCN stepped in and even told you that you were wrong and I was right lol.
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funny thing about that, 295x2s DO NOT have custom PCBs, AMD did not authorize vendors to make custom PCBs that is why they are 290xs, and there is actually a big difference between the 2,chip voltage leakage

but alas i am just a crazy psycho and as of now i will go back to just not reading your posts
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295x2 uses the same Hawaii cores as the 290x yes but they aren't the same, the Ares and Devil reads under GPU-Z as Crossfire (Hawaii) 290x's, the 295x2 doesn't, it reads as Vesuvius and Crossfire cannot be disabled on it (major difference there)

the 75c throttle temp is to prevent damage to the pump, the Devil obviously doesn't need that (being air cooled) and the Ares should never get close to that (EK waterblock).

and iirc the throttle temp on the 7990 was because of the vrm's proximity to the core.

but hey, AMD are stupid I guess......I mean why intentionally throttle the card if they didn't have to?

I am not saying they do not have to, I am saying there is another reason. It is not to protect a pump that is just hogwash.

"it reads as Vesuvius and Crossfire cannot be disabled on it (major difference there)" This is due to the way the bios is coded nothing more, My 290s say 390x in GPU Z they are not 390xs however there bios is. If you dont understand that then I can not help you. The crossfire being able to be disabled is again a bios feature by AMD and a change that PC and Asus made to there cards.

You need to go and do some research about reference vs non reference cards because you seem to both have a lack of understanding on the subject. Funny how every tech reivew wite on the planet calls the Devil 13 a 295x2, but hey they are stupid and dont know what they are talking about and you know better.

I did it pre omega like back in 14.4ish area and it did not work period. You can google and find many many threads about the subject and AMDs own reps saying you have to reinstall the drivers with both cards in but hey AMD Matt doesn't know what he is talking about.

Asus Ares III:
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Dual R9 290X factory-overclocked to 1030MHz- delivering a 15% faster performance than GTX Titan Z
https://www.asus.com/au/Graphics-Cards/ROG_ARESIII8GD5/

Powercolor Devil 13 290x2:
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PowerColor Radeon™ Devil 13 Dual Core R9 290X 8GB GDDR5
http://www.powercolor.com/au/products_features.asp?id=549

Guess both Asus and Powercolor had no idea what they were making then.....

And yes I've done it before with my 290's, believe me or don't........and didn't you just say that AMD makes up hogwash anyway? wink.gif
 
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I've done it when i ran Crossfire 290's and it worked fine unless they've gone backwards with Crimson in that regard....
I've done it probably 6 times since I've had my crossfire setup it had never failed to immediately detect crossfire and even enable it automatically in most cases...in fact installing with both cards powered and connected is the only time I've had issues with crossfire not initializing properly....this includes crimson in all three flavors and omega and 14 series...I have never had to reinstall drivers when simply adding a second card for crossfire...I've had to reinstall a lot due to borked drivers from overclock, Windows failure, or bad install...I always use ddu in safe then manually clean any registry entries if any are left then reboot with one card unpowered...after install of new drivers I restart ensure they installed properly...then shutdown and reconnect the second card then it's always good to go...Before this method it would occasionally give issues with crossfire after installing a new driver...always disable ulps in registry and via checkboxes in ab or trix whichever I'm using at the time...(I know I don't need to do it in the program after I've manually done it in the registry but I've always done it just to ensure the program doesn't try to reenable it)
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I've done it when i ran Crossfire 290's and it worked fine unless they've gone backwards with Crimson in that regard....

I've done it probably 6 times since I've had my crossfire setup it had never failed to immediately detect crossfire and even enable it automatically in most cases...this includes crimson in all three flavors and omega and 14 series...

I have never had to reinstall drivers when simply adding a second card for crossfire...I've had to reinstall a lot due to borked drivers from overclock, Windows failure, or bad install...I always use ddu in safe then manually clean any registry entries if any are left then reboot with one card unpowered...after install of new drivers I restart ensure they installed properly...then shutdown and reconnect the second card then it's always good to go...

Before this method it would occasionally give issues with crossfire after installing a new driver...always disable ulps in registry and via checkboxes in ab or trix whichever I'm using at the time...(I know I don't need to do it in the program after I've manually done it in the registry but I've always done it just to ensure the program doesn't try to reenable it)

You must be wrong though, it's not possible to do it tongue.gif

In all seriousness though, It's pretty simple, plug in the other card, boot up PC......if it doesn't detect it then re-install the driver.

no harm from trying it instead of wiping it all straight away smile.gif
 
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Originally Posted by Sgt Bilko View Post

Asus Ares III:
https://www.asus.com/au/Graphics-Cards/ROG_ARESIII8GD5/

Powercolor Devil 13 290x2:
http://www.powercolor.com/au/products_features.asp?id=549

Guess both Asus and Powercolor had no idea what they were making then.....

And yes I've done it before with my 290's, believe me or don't........and didn't you just say that AMD makes up hogwash anyway? wink.gif

I concede maybe you did do it, Maybe the feature that is suppose to be worked for you. However in my case and millions of others on this forum and others it doesn't work you have to reinstall the drivers with both cards installed.

The issue that present when doing it like that is not the cards are not detected by the system they are. The case I had, presented with the cards showing up in device manager, they showed up in afterburner yet CCC had no crossfire options to turn CFX on or off or anything about CF at all. This occurs to a lot of people when they do not reinstall new drivers with both cards installed. I presented my problem in this very thread and was Told by TSM that I needed to install the drivers fresh with both cards installed. I have since seen many people have the same exact issue and even AMD Matt say you have to do it like that.

Asus Ares III:
https://www.asus.com/au/Graphics-Cards/ROG_ARESIII8GD5/

Powercolor Devil 13 290x2:
http://www.powercolor.com/au/products_features.asp?id=549

What they label the card and what the card is is irrelevant, 295x2 is AMDs code name for a dual 290x GPU, both of those cards are dual 290x GPUs that makes them 295x2s period. AMD decides code names around here not Powercooler not Asus. They all use the same base PCB and GPU cores, it is simply reference versus non reference.

Board partners do have the pull you seem to think they do, AMD gives them specs for a single GPU and they alter it to there liking within AMDs guide sets, AMD can them give them a Design for a dual GPU setup and they do the same. They don't just start making there own cards out of thin air it doesn't work that way.
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You must be wrong though, it's not possible to do it tongue.gif

In all seriousness though, It's pretty simple, plug in the other card, boot up PC......if it doesn't detect it then re-install the driver.

no harm from trying it instead of wiping it all straight away smile.gif
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Originally Posted by Sgt Bilko View Post

Asus Ares III:
https://www.asus.com/au/Graphics-Cards/ROG_ARESIII8GD5/

Powercolor Devil 13 290x2:
http://www.powercolor.com/au/products_features.asp?id=549

Guess both Asus and Powercolor had no idea what they were making then.....

And yes I've done it before with my 290's, believe me or don't........and didn't you just say that AMD makes up hogwash anyway? wink.gif

I concede maybe you did do it, Maybe the feature that is suppose to be worked for you. However in my case and millions of others on this forum and others it doesn't work you have to reinstall the drivers with both cards installed.

The issue that present when doing it like that is not the cards are not detected by the system they are. The case I had, presented with the cards showing up in device manager, they showed up in afterburner yet CCC had no crossfire options to turn CFX on or off or anything about CF at all. This occurs to a lot of people when they do not reinstall new drivers with both cards installed. I presented my problem in this very thread and was Told by TSM that I needed to install the drivers fresh with both cards installed. I have since seen many people have the same exact issue and even AMD Matt say you have to do it like that.

Asus Ares III:
https://www.asus.com/au/Graphics-Cards/ROG_ARESIII8GD5/

Powercolor Devil 13 290x2:
http://www.powercolor.com/au/products_features.asp?id=549

What they label the card and what the card is is irrelevant, 295x2 is AMDs code name for a dual 290x GPU, both of those cards are dual 290x GPUs that makes them 295x2s period. AMD decides code names around here not Powercooler not Asus. They all use the same base PCB and GPU cores, it is simply reference versus non reference.

Board partners do have the pull you seem to think they do, AMD gives them specs for a single GPU and they alter it to there liking within AMDs guide sets, AMD can them give them a Design for a dual GPU setup and they do the same. They don't just start making there own cards out of thin air it doesn't work that way.

"Vesuvius" is the code name, "295x2" is the product name, the Ares and Devil 13 use a custom PCB, they do not follow the reference design and you'll see my answer to the Crossfire question above your post

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sgt Bilko View Post

You must be wrong though, it's not possible to do it tongue.gif

In all seriousness though, It's pretty simple, plug in the other card, boot up PC......if it doesn't detect it then re-install the driver.

no harm from trying it instead of wiping it all straight away smile.gif
hey thanks for making some paragraphs I'm a horrible about creating text walls as I usually have several thoughts in what would be a paragraph lol

I know formatting pretty well I just seem to forget it when I post and punctuation wth is that smile.gif my old English teachers and my fiance the English nazi would smack me around if they had to read my posts

no worries mate, just have a re-read before you hit submit, makes reading it a bit easier smile.gif
 
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