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Hey guys,

I'm sure this question has been asked a lot. But I did my research and I'm still not convinced. I currently have a EVGA GTX 780 ACX. I'm running my 1440p monitor at 120hz, and I like to keep my games at max settings, so any performance boost available to get me as close as I can get to 120hz is welcome. However, I'm still on the fence. Here's my reasons for each choice.

Go with a 290X:
-Better performance.
-Mantle looks really promising, and I do want to play BF4 (and haven't purchased it yet). If it takes off with developers, that might be a gamebreaker until Nvidia adopts it as well.
-Could get it for about the same price I sell my 780 for.

Keep my 780:
-Reference design (and no confirmation for custom coolers)
-Less heat (90-95C load temps are normal, WHAT? I'm worried my rig will melt), power, and noise.
-Even though the 290X has better performance, the difference looks like to be about 10-20% (5-10 fps is most games). Ontop of that, the 780 has lower frame latency. AMD can't seem to ever beat Nvidia in that regard. Although it shouldn't be noticeable on a single card, I did notice some strange occurences in Skyrim benchmarks with the 290X.
-I know some of you will laugh at me, but I'll miss PhysX. Sure it's only available in select games, but when I'm playing such a game, it sure is a treat. I was really looking forward to experiencing Witcher 3 with an Nvidia card. It is definitely my most anticipated game, and it probably will be optimized for Nvidia like the last game.

If anyone was wondering what games I play, I still have so many I need to play (including the big titles of the last few years and upcoming titles) but haven't gotten around to, but I mainly play Skyrim (mods), Battlefield, SWTOR, and Guild Wars 2.

Normally I'd be all for getting more performance for no or little cost, but there are a few drawbacks in this case that are making me reluctant. I would have to sacrifice a few things and live with the drawbacks, and I'm not really sure that is worth a 10-20% performance gain. So, I'd ike to hear what you think.

I'd appreciate some opinions or to point out anything I missed.

Thanks so much!
post #2 of 9
There is no way I would trade a GTX 780 for a R9 290X if you already have the GTX 780 in hand. Ultimately it's up to you. You're looking at a financial loss to sell the GTX 780, and would gain a negligible performance improvement. Nobody's going to make the decision for you.

This link shows some solid benchmarks for both cards -- your 1440p is going to come in somewhere between the 1080p and 1600p results. The AMD comes in about 3-10% faster at 1600p, and less at 1440p/1080p.

http://www.techspot.com/review/727-radeon-r9-290x/page3.html

Greg
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Originally Posted by hammong View Post

There is no way I would trade a GTX 780 for a R9 290X if you already have the GTX 780 in hand. Ultimately it's up to you. You're looking at a financial loss to sell the GTX 780, and would gain a negligible performance improvement. Nobody's going to make the decision for you.

This link shows some solid benchmarks for both cards -- your 1440p is going to come in somewhere between the 1080p and 1600p results. The AMD comes in about 3-10% faster at 1600p, and less at 1440p/1080p.

http://www.techspot.com/review/727-radeon-r9-290x/page3.html

Greg
^^^^^^ This....I would keep my 780 no doubt,if you want it to be a tad faster just get a modded bios that will push both your core and memory clock....I see you are already a member of the 780 club those guys will guide you with whatever help you need....
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R9 290X for a gtx 780?!

thats a no no

why?

1- consistency: 290x tends to overheat, so long play sessions performance is gonna be questionable with a 290x while the gtx 780 runs cool and quite and can keep on providing its full potential for long play hours to come without making noise or overheating (keep in mind that also less overheat will make your case cooler too which is better for all your components and for your stable overclocks)

2- frame latency: while the differences are minor but still geforce cards have better latency and frame timings specially if you plan to sli in the future, that and going dual card is gonna be easier with cards that have less of heat and noise and less power consumption which is the case with geforce cards.

3- i dont think mantle is gonna be a major player, direct x will still be the leading api, check the links below:
http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/168671-xbox-one-will-not-support-amds-mantle-and-ps4-is-also-unlikely-is-mantle-doa
http://www.vg247.com/2013/09/26/sony-and-microsoft-may-be-hostile-to-new-amd-tech-says-carmack/

4- i think that nvidia maxwell is not more than 4-6 months away and im sure it will obliterate the 290x in terms of performace, until that day i think that the gtx 780 will be more than enough for all your gaming needs

if u still insist on more performance (while i still think the gtx 780 is enough specially if you play on a single display) i say wait until nvidia cuts the price on the gtx 780 and sli, the price cut will be soon i think.

good luck thumb.gif
Edited by SsXxX - 10/24/13 at 12:21am
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Thanks guys. I was originally going to wait until we got some user reviews, but now I'm going to wait to see if and when the custom ones come out. I didn't think the difference was less than 10% at 1440p, the benchmarks seemed like it was around 10-20% across the board. And I also underestimated how low I would have to sell the 780. It would be a hassle, and I'd probably make a loss from it.

Yep, in 4-6 months I will definitely be considering Maxwell over the 290X, or I'll SLI another 780 since that is cheaper and gives more performance (although my current 780 isn't reference, which might be heat issue with an SLI setup). Is it known if you can SLI a 780 and a 780ti?

To be honest, I have never overclocked my 780. I never had luck overclocking so I stopped a while back. My 780 is running at a littel above 70C on load, which is not bad but hotter than my pevious card. I guess I can give that a try, but how much of a performance increase would overclocking or modded bios net?
Edited by apav - 10/24/13 at 12:21am
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look at benchmarks on guru3d and techpoerup... its only 1-2 fps faster in most games, and my 780 is at 1200 core 24.7 so it rofl stomps the stock 290x still. and with that ref cooler, u wont be able to oc much xD
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Thanks guys. I was originally going to wait until we got some user reviews, but now I'm going to wait to see if and when the custom ones come out. I didn't think the difference was less than 10% at 1440p, the benchmarks seemed like it was around 10-20% across the board. And I also underestimated how low I would have to sell the 780. It would be a hassle, and I'd probably make a loss from it.

Yep, in 4-6 months I will definitely be considering Maxwell over the 290X, or I'll SLI another 780 since that is cheaper and gives more performance (although my current 780 isn't reference, which might be heat issue with an SLI setup). Is it known if you can SLI a 780 and a 780ti?

To be honest, I have never overclocked my 780. I never had luck overclocking so I stopped a while back. My 780 is running at a littel above 70C on load, which is not bad but hotter than my pevious card. I guess I can give that a try, but how much of a performance increase would overclocking or modded bios net?


actually , reference cooler is better for sli, it will give you better temps most of the time, tried and true, thats why they keep the titan on its reference cooling, cz its meant to be used in sil for premium setups and 4k gaming.
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look at toms hardware. Their bench is better in my opinion because games mostly maxed out and from there you can see the real capability of 290x.
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actually , reference cooler is better for sli, it will give you better temps most of the time, tried and true, thats why they keep the titan on its reference cooling, cz its meant to be used in sil for premium setups and 4k gaming.

Oops, we misunderstood each other. I said that it isn't reference, which is a problem if I want to do SLI. You thought I said my card was reference, and I thought you said that custom is better for SLI. It's late wink.gif

Hmm, yea you guys were right about the benchmarks. Maybe the reviews glossed the 290X up a bit too much or are referring to hi-res:
Quote:
But when it comes to gaming performance, this card has little trouble trouncing its primary competition, GeForce GTX 780, and even Nvidia’s GeForce GTX Titan in a number of cases—both of which are substantially more expensive boards.
from Tom's Hardware
Edited by apav - 10/24/13 at 12:34am
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