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They are entitled to make their own thing, we're just trying to say it's selfish and harmful to other people if they do. This is the issue you don't seem to get- yes, they have a right to do whatever they want- that doesn't make it good, and even if you don't use it it can still hurt you

but the competition is good, wayland was sat practically still for almost two years until MIR was announced at the time wayland then started to pick up again and gather pace.

Im pro wayland but i think MIR is actually giving focus to the wayland project
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They are entitled to make their own thing, we're just trying to say it's selfish and harmful to other people if they do. This is the issue you don't seem to get- yes, they have a right to do whatever they want- that doesn't make it good, and even if you don't use it it can still hurt you

but the competition is good, wayland was sat practically still for almost two years until MIR was announced at the time wayland then started to pick up again and gather pace.

Im pro wayland but i think MIR is actually giving focus to the wayland project

Not really. I think it's more fair to say people didn't read about wayland until mir, it was certainly making progress. When I tried it on Arch about a year ago all I could get was weston and a terminal plus a couple demo apps, now it's not only stable but xwayland kind of works and gnome is close to supporting it, most of which happened before mir. Also, while competition is often good it isn't always, because it can fracture communities and can cause huge pain for the people behind the software, and therefore, also, for us.
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I'm a little confused here. Perhaps the OCN Lords of Linux© can enlighten me.

Mir, Wayland, and X... what are they analogous to in a Windows environment? DirectX? WDDM?

What's the big deal about Canonical writing their own version of....whatever Mir is?

This is an area about which I know little and would be happy to learn. smile.gif

The closest equivalent in Windows would be the window manager itself and in Windows Vista and later, partially includes the DWM compositor. A slight difference however is that by default the window manager and the DWM are responsible for rendering the non-client area of the window, however applications can provide their own rendering.

The window manager lives inside win32k.sys and contains some user mode components.
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but the competition is good, wayland was sat practically still for almost two years until MIR was announced at the time wayland then started to pick up again and gather pace.

Im pro wayland but i think MIR is actually giving focus to the wayland project

That's certainly one of the few -if not only- good things that Mir has given us. But I don't think that alone is enough to justify Mir's existence nor the "competition is good" statement when the counter argument is so obvious: why didn't Canonical contribute to Wayland / work on a compatible fork?
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why didn't Canonical contribute to Wayland / work on a compatible fork?

Cos they suck?


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