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Current Specs:
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MSI R9 280X
AMD FX-8350
8GB Corsair RAM
Corsair TX750M

Long story short: I replaced my old video card with a new Gigabyte HD7970, and it was giving me startup problems. It was losing performance rapidly, and by the third night it performed worse than my old 560Ti. I replaced it with my current R9 280X, which worked great the first night too, but the same problem occured. I've taken many steps to figure things out, so here are the clues I've gathered:

- It's not compatibility. This guy has my same setup and plays BF4 on Ultra here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho0Pw70x28M
- None of the parts have shown up to be bad on multiple diagnostics. MBoard tests, psu tests, memory tests, gpu tests, and everything else from multiple different diagnostic programs
- My Dr.Debug says the startup issue is almost always code 36 (CPU post-memory initialization. System Management Mode (SMM) initialization), but this morning it gave me a 36 and a 10 for the first time (PEI Core is started)
- The computer is fully grounded
- Heat is not an issue, I watched my system closely on the night of the new R9. Nothing in my system ever went past 60C.
- My video drivers are updated, 13.11 Beta
- I removed all of my old nvidia drivers
- All problems go away if I put my old 560Ti back in

Everything should be fine, but it isn't. If anyone has any idea what's going on here, please let me know.
Edited by Sliver59 - 10/25/13 at 8:19am
post #2 of 9
Have you tried removing all of the components and starting the build over?
It's possible something isn't seated correctly or a connection isn't right.

Start over and try it again.
It just might solve your problem.


Including reseating the CPU and replacing the thermal compound.
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It's a good thing my cpu fan came with a lot of extra thermal compound. I can try this today. I'll let you know if it solves anything.
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Alright, just got it done and my pc back on. It showed error 36 the first two times, and it started on the third. So nothing's changed.
post #5 of 9
Have you formated? Maybe some files are corrupted. IF you have another hard drive, try it.
post #6 of 9
Video driver conflicts. It's difficult to fully purge a video driver and switch to another. I've heard there are 3rd party utilities for this but honestly, the best thing would be to start with a fresh install of the OS and work from there.
     
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Alright, just got it done and my pc back on. It showed error 36 the first two times, and it started on the third. So nothing's changed.
I went from a GTX560 non ti to my 7970 had no problems at all. This did sound like driver issues since you said you can put in your 560ti and the problems go away.

I uninstalled all my Nvidia drivers with my 560 still installed including PhysX. Once I uninstalled the nvidia drivers I went into my c drive and deleted all Nvidia folders that might be in the program files folders.

Then shut down the computer and installed the new gpu I did this back and fourth 3 or 4 times and never had a problem with drivers conflict.
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If I'm correct, DR.DEBUG would have nothing to do with software or the OS - essentially meaning unrelated to drivers as they are HEX status codes during motherboard POST. I assume you have reseated it without issues - and further verified that you cleared the CMOS through the jumper as a preventative measure? The only thing that seems to come to mind that if the GPU is the only thing changed that it would be related to a bad PCIe power connector connection to the card if it has one or the power supply may be struggling due to age.

The only time I've ever experienced such issues in the past on boards with the DEBUG status onboard (such as the old EPoX board lineup) . This was from aging capacitors in the supply - thus causing instability and coldboot errors (such as POST failure loops until it succeeds). In your case it sounds like it's failing to POST the first few loops because it cannot handle the initial surge of power required to cold boot. Considering the fact that dedicated video solutions are often power hogs this could be the case once the PSU warms back up after the card swap hence 'okay the first night of a swap' further compounded by swapping in an even more power hungry card. Then combine the fact that the card is under performing due to having to throttle down to keep within whatever little power is being supplied and you have trouble. This could explain why the lower performing (and less power hungry) card was not giving any issues.

Have you tried swapping supplies and see if it makes much difference?

To also add in further experiences with a failing 1 year old supply and GPU power use relation...
Everything was just fine for a year till things started to get unstable, post issues, BSOD's, etc. I was able to use all forms of benchtest software and stress all components at once at this time such as GPU, Ram, CPU, PSU, etc and not get any issues or failures for 24hours (which intially stumped me to no end). Yet playing games after oh... an hour would cause a intermittent power failure on of all things... the hard drive... thus forcing a BSOD with 0x8E. This was mitigated more by reducing clocks on the GPU to the point of underclocking/undervolting more and more to reduce power use on the card itself, then further running the drives/system fans on an external power supply (as life support) and it would buy me more time until the supply just one day failed and stopped working. Everything was resolved however with a new PSU so the other components were fine.


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Open up CPU-Z and go to the mainboard tab (I think) and under PCI-E what does it say for link width?

edit: nevermind, not sure why the thread was bumped when the OP hasn't been here in a while
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