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Looking to upgrade from my 550d (T2i) which I use 50/50 for photos and videos. However I am getting more client work and the 550d is getting old and the lack of full frame is holding it back so I am looking to upgrade, my budget is around £1000-2000. Cameras I am currently considering are

5D mkII Second Hand (£1200)
5D mkIII Second Hand (£2300) - no money for more lenses
6D Second Hand (£1300)
1Ds mkIII Second Hand (£1800)
1D mkIV Second Hand (£2100)
Black Magic Pocket Camera (£1000)

I need to have high quality video as well as good photo capabilities (sports and portraits) I am tempted by the 5D mkII or 6D as that would leave me money spare to pick up a 24-70, but then again the 1Ds and 1D would be better for photos. The black magic was really just thrown in there for video, it does take stills but I wouldn't really feel comfortable using it on a day to day basis. If anyone has any thoughts on this it would be much appreciated. Also if anyone has experience with the differences between the 5D mkII and III that would be very helpful
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There are lots of differences between the 5D2 and 5D3. A decent comparison can be found at http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-5d-mark-iii/

1) The focus system really is night and day different between the 5D2 and 5D3 - it's one of the main reasons I changed from the 5D2 to the 5D3. The 5D2 focus system is very similar to what the T2i/550D (I think those line up) had - a 9 point diamond with the center point being a cross type. The 5D3 focus system is the same 61 point focus system found in the 1Dx with tons of cross points, etc. 41 cross type and 5 dual cross type make this thing a focusing beast.

2) Newer Digic 5+ processor vs the older Digic 4 in the 5D2.

3) Iso Range on the 5D3 is much larger - 50 to 102,800 (compared to 50 to 25,600). On top of this though the exposure quality of high ISO images is much better out of the 5D3 (more because of the newer Digic 5+ processor).

4) 5D3 shoots 6 frames per second versus the 5D2's 3.9

5) 5D3 allows you to shoot the flash system in group mode (600EX / 600EX-RT flashes). Not a deal breaker for most, but I actually find this quite useful.

6) 5D3 has dual card slots (SD and CF) which is can be useful (especially if you own alot of SD memory and not alot of CF and since SD tends to be much cheaper)

I haven't done a whole lot with video on either camera; I do know that the video I took for my brother in law's wedding ceremony (which literally consisted of me deciding that morning to toss my 5D2 on a tripod over my back shoulder with my 35L, set it and forget it) came out really well. It also is worth mentioning that movies and TV shows used the 5D2 in production (Black Hawk Down I believe had a bunch of scenes with 5D2s, and I believe one of the season finales of House was shot with 5D2s). I haven't had to shoot any video yet with the 5D3, but everything I've heard is that the quality is still very good. @Conspiracy should be able to help talk you through any significant video differences between the 5D2 and 5D3 (hopefully).

Now, all of that said.. are these things you need?

The image quality from the 6D compared to the 5DIII in many cases is almost the exact same (in fact, there are constant discussions about which camera ultimately has the better image quality, and in some scenarios the 6D really does actually beat the 5D3 - not handily by any means, but a win's a win. That said, it's using a different focus system (not quite the same as what the Rebels use, it's an 11 point with a 3x3 grid of single points and two points on the outsides) but the points function differently, and everyone I've talked to that's shot a 6D has indicated that the focus works great. In fact, most people I've been talking to lately that have the 5D2 have gone 6D - why? Because they don't need the focus system the 5D3 comes with, and the money they save can be spent on glass, trips, etc.

Realistically, it sounds like the 6D is the best bet for you at the moment. I don't see the value of going back to a 1Ds III or a 1D IV. While they are great cameras, the 6D should be plenty of camera for what you need and leave you plenty of your room in your budget for a nice piece of glass, whereas the others will basically leave you with whatever you can scrap together (or already have).
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the 5D3 has improved performance in video. less "jello", moire/aliasing. not to mention the very nicely improved ISO performance. ALSO audio support is very nice. having more audio control AND the headphone out is what makes me stay with canon. we have been waiting for better audio support and the ability to monitor audio levels since the arrival of the 5D2 back in the dawn of DSLR video some many many many fortnights ago

heres the fork in the road. straight out of camera.... the 5D2 will give you that cinematic look whereas the 5D3 will have a very clean digital look to the video. Both cameras produce excellent quality with files that are very friendly for color grading, especially when shot flat and transcoded to a more lossless format like prores 422 or DNxHD

i honestly have zero experience with the 6D. it doesnt not interest me enough to even test it out for possible use on paid gigs.

major improvement bolded so i dont repeat myself and get stuck in a very long unnecessarily long post about video where i will totally get sidetracked and derail the discussion to something non related to OP rolleyes.giftongue.gif im easily distracted and stop taking my ADD medication yessir.gif


also.. no to 1DsIII, no video makes this not worth it as well as the 1D2 being better for sports in my opinion although its tough to beat the awesomeness of a nikon D3s. the Canon 1DmkIV is a badass camera but not ideal for video. believe it or not video is good but not worth it with that camera, not worth going into details why but basically its amazing at just sports and photojournalism. black magic is great and all and i love their workflow but they are new to cameras. i would give them more time to improve on their camera systems before i personally invest in their lineup
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If we narrow it down to 5DmkII and 1DmkIV which performs better (1D is twice the price second hand), is the video quality actually WORSE or is it just not any better than the 5DmkII? I think the 5DmkIII is pretty much ruled out due to being nearly twice the price of the mark ii for very little gain (especially in the video department)
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the 1DmkIV just has zero major improvement *for video* and it lacks that cinematic texture that the 5D2 has.

if you are seriously shooting sports the 5D2 is not an option. you cant get consistently usable images with that cameras slow AF.

sounds like the wisest choice would the the 1DmkIV as it is the most versatile camera for you wide variety of needs
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thanks for all the advice I will have a think about whether I want to spend double the money on buying the 1D
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yeah its definitely an investment. you can shoot sports with a 5D2 but like i said it will not consistently nail focus as the camera is very slow and not intended to shoot moving objects. the 5D2 is beautiful but frustrating if used for sports with long lenses. its great for wide angle sports because everything is in focus with wider angles tongue.gif
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