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simply put, the core may be able to handle 95c from design, but that's gotta lead to some pretty toasty VRM's.
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post #122 of 238
Quote:
Originally Posted by skupples View Post

simply put, the core may be able to handle 95c from design, but that's gotta lead to some pretty toasty VRM's.

The vrms is around 70C
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Guru3D lowered the temperature target of the 290X to 80C (same as the target at stock on 780/TITAN) and found that average fps rate only decreased by ONE FPS in each of the games that they tested.

Making it still very competitive with GK110 (I'd argue just as competitive as at the 95C target; who can actually notice 1fps?), running at the same temperature, albeit with more noise.

Power consumption seems to be about ~30W higher than the Titan on average, nothing to complain about unless you're desperate to defend your brand of choice.

It's a lot of electricity and heat for a single graphics card. If we give the 290X a pass, then we should consider the GTX 480 "alright" as well as far as power consumption goes.

Now, that falls a part a bit in that a GTX 480 doesn't stand a snowball's chance vs the 290X in raw performance, but let's please be consistent in our bashing of high power draw.
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Heat is the same as a titan/780. 30 watt difference means nothing. Why you believe temps=heat?
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Heat is the same as a titan/780. 30 watt difference means nothing. Why you believe temps=heat?

I don't.

Thermodynamics tells us that energy cannot be created or destroyed. Therefore if GPU A draws 30w more power than GPU B, then GPU A is going to require 30w more of cooling and is going to put 30w more per second into the atmosphere than GPU B.

How hot the card runs is irrelevant to it's power draw. While higher-drawing cards DO require a more advanced cooler, ASIC temperature has no correlation with power consumption. All of these are loosely connected and conclusions can be draw based upon the inter-relations.

Higher power draw leads to:
More heat dispersed into the atmosphere regardless of cooler type
Higher operating temperatures given that whatever you're comparing it with has the same cooler
Shorter life span for the device itself (though HOW much shorter, only AMD knows.)
Increased fan noise assuming the same cooler is used

Again, these statements only fit in a scenario that adheres to ceteris paribus. The card will run hotter IF the same cooler is used on it and its competition and IF it's in the same case/fan setup. A 10 watt Celeron runs hotter than my 300w GTX 480's if you place Play Doh on the Celeron and a waterblock on my 480's. Just because one runs hotter does NOT mean it draws more power. But it can be an indication that that is what is happening.
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post #126 of 238
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It's a lot of electricity and heat for a single graphics card. If we give the 290X a pass, then we should consider the GTX 480 "alright" as well as far as power consumption goes.

Now, that falls a part a bit in that a GTX 480 doesn't stand a snowball's chance vs the 290X in raw performance, but let's please be consistent in our bashing of high power draw.

Here's the problem with your reasoning.

power_peak.gif

Here we see the GTX 480 consuming 113W, or 78%, more power than its competitor, the HD 5870, and even 46W more than the dual-GPU 5970. That is gigantic.

power_peak.gif

Now, here, while we do see the 290X consuming 271W -- which is 14W more than the GTX 480 -- we have to look at things relatively. The 290X's competitor, the GTX TITAN, which it slightly outperforms on average, consumes 238W. This is a paltry 33W, or 14%, difference.

By the same token you should be criticizing GK110 for consuming almost as much as GF100, but it's heralded as a king of efficiency.

It's all relative.
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I'm probably missing something obvious here so forgive me, but why does 290x quiet mode consume more power than uber?
    
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@ Usario:

Thanks for the graphs. You do make a point there.

GK104 I consider to be insanely efficient for its time (that is, at the time of launch). GK110, not so much.

Kepler is efficient, but not when scaled up to its biggest size.

GK110 vs GF100.... Kepler draws 10% less power and delivers roughly double to double-and-a-half the performance. In that respect, it's far more efficient than Fermi and, by today's standards, is quite efficient.

Truth be told, Hawaii is somewhat efficient for the performance you get. While it does draw more than any other single card out there, it does so while significantly outperforming them. In that respect, I suppose you could say it's efficient for the mileage you get.

Then again, so is an oil tanker. biggrin.gif
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Why are people so hellbent on using 3DM11 when 3DM13 is the current one?
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