Originally Posted by fateswarm
We will never know their real costs with speculation or hearsay, people have the illusion NVIDIA and AMD have a chip tree that makes free chips or chips for $12 like someone said yesterday.
TSMC has Gigantic costs before releasing a new process node. In all likelihood they are charged tons per wafer for the first 6 months and it goes down gradually (and GK110 takes more space on a wafer).
And someone sees "$3000 per wafer" on a website and he believes it, in all likelihood that applies to the average client, who is using old nodes, AMD and NVIDIA are always on the latest node, well, at least as far as this forum is concerned.
2 years ago, TSMC charged $5000-6000 per 300mm wafer for 28nm. That was a given. Given a much more matured process, they wouldn't be charging nearly as much, and many sources state that it has gone down. The lowest you can get a 300mm wafer is $2000. The average these days is around $3000, with the upper end charges $4000/wafer. The 2880 GK110 die generally averages about 1 of every 6-7 dies. The Titan is one SMX disabled/not working. That means that you will have a considerably higher chance at getting a die that falls under its specifications. The GTX 780 has 4 SMX disabled. That means yields are going to be quite spectacular for that particular GK110 die.
450mm wafers are just now coming into use as of 2013 by Intel, and aren't expected to be fully used in all markets by 2018.
Cost per die is incredibly cheap. Its the R&D costs that add up to be gigantic.
The reason you have certain GPUs along the same line is because of said binning of yields, i.e. the GTX 780/780Ti/Titan on GK110, or the 7950/7970 on TahitiXT.
It goes to show just how little you know about production costs of electronics. More than half of your posts are just spectacular vapor that has utterly no substance. You contribute less to this forum than even some certain people (who I'm not specifically naming in this post). At this point, I'm sure I'm one of many that just practically ignores every single one of your posts, because you do nothing to advance discussion, and just create an environment that causes arguments.