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Not a chance Intel is like AMD.

AMD was always chasing Intel behind like a puppy (even in some cases people were saying they were "competing", they were pre-overclocking, like the 290X apparently does, though nowadays they can't even beat Intel on pre-overclocked CPUs).

If Intel did it, it will probably mean the total destruction of both NVIDIA and the GPU section of AMD.

If AMD was able to buy ATI to effectively be a part of 2 separate duopolies, I just don't understand why anti-trust laws would prevent Intel from entering the GPU market.

A 3rd GPU maker would be greatly welcomed ( not necessarily Intel, but who else? )
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What is pre-overclocking ???

FX-9590 and 290X reference. It has a longer history of pre-overclocking in the older days. But you won't remember.


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If AMD was able to buy ATI to effectively be a part of 2 separate duopolies, I just don't understand why anti-trust laws would prevent Intel from entering the GPU market.

A 3rd GPU maker would be greatly welcomed ( not necessarily Intel, but who else? )

Because Intel would not be in two duopolies, it would be in two almost-monopolies. It's already on a pseudo-monopoly of CPUs, the duopoly of AMD/Intel Patents has beaten us in the butt, since with a small drawback in GF, the result is AMD can't even approach Intel CPUs with overclocking, so Intel can sit back and enjoy their domination (notice they even shrinked the die sizes of their latest CPUs).

Some people say Xeon Phi is slow (or non game relevant), but that's a joke, Intel has the R&D to wrestle up a good (discreet) GPU easily, their APU GPU is already capable of running 2-3 year old games, imagine what they would do with a discreet version of it of a humongous die size, multiple times more transistors, discreet cooling, think again if it'd be "slow".
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FX-9590 and 290X reference. It has a longer history of pre-overclocking in the older days. But you won't remember.
Because Intel would not be in two duopolies, it would be in two almost-monopolies. It's already on a pseudo-monopoly of CPUs, the duopoly of AMD/Intel Patents has beaten us in the butt, since with a small drawback in GF, the result is AMD can't even approach Intel CPUs with overclocking, so Intel can sit back and enjoy their domination (notice they even shrinked the die sizes of their latest CPUs).

Some people say Xeon Phi is slow (or non game relevant), but that's a joke, Intel has the R&D to wrestle up a good (discreet) GPU easily, their APU GPU is already capable of running 2-3 year old games, imagine what they would do with a discreet version of it of a humongous die size, multiple times more transistors, discreet cooling, think again if it'd be "slow".

And whether we want to admit it or not, Intel is ALREADY in the GPU market with APU's, they even have market share.

LEAD Technologies Inc. V1.01

If they wanted to enter the discrete graphic market, I'm sure they could, and no one would step in and stop them. They just have to throw money at their driver team, and expand on their graphics hardware, right now they'd be 3rd out of 3, but all I'm saying is it would be nice to have a 3rd competitor, and Intel is the most likely candidate.

I was looking through the new CPU magazine, and just saw this pic, notice the Xeon Phi on a ROG board.



Also, check this out!


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You guys thinking Intel is powerful enough to compete with Nvidia and AMD in GPUs.

They have been trying for years upon years. Xeon Phi was actually supposed to be dGPU and Intel couldn't make it work, so they turned it into Xeon Phi.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larrabee_%28microarchitecture%29

Intel won't ever compete with AMD and Nvidia for graphics. Intel has significantly more money than both of them yet Intel still couldn't pull it off. Some of you need to put down the kool aide because Intel tried for several years to get into that market and they failed miserably.
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You guys thinking Intel is powerful enough to compete with Nvidia and AMD in GPUs.

They have been trying for years upon years. Xeon Phi was actually supposed to be dGPU and Intel couldn't make it work, so they turned it into Xeon Phi.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larrabee_%28microarchitecture%29

Intel won't ever compete with AMD and Nvidia for graphics. Intel has significantly more money than both of them yet Intel still couldn't pull it off. Some of you need to put down the kool aide because Intel tried for several years to get into that market and they failed miserably.

Perhaps you should READ the entire discussion before commenting. kthxbai
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2010rig, I know they are in APUs. I used it as an argument. They already can with a limited transistors and bad cooling (it's not discreet) compete with AMD APUs and even make people play 3-year-old games on them.

Do you seriously think they can't take that out, make it a discreet chip, enlarge it with 10x the transistors, cool it discreetly and have enormous performance?

GPUs aren't even rocket science after a point, once you have an architecture, it's easier to just add parallelism with more transistors.
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2010rig, I know they are in APUs. I used it as an argument. They already can with a limited transistors and bad cooling (it's not discreet) compete with AMD APUs and even make people play 3-year-old games on them.

Do you seriously think they can't take that out, make it a discreet chip, enlarge it with 10x the transistors, cool it discreetly and have enormous performance?

GPUs aren't even rocket science after a point, once you have an architecture, it's easier to just add parallelism with more transistors.

I'm not sure what the discussion is about anymore....

LEAD Technologies Inc. V1.01

You claimed anti-trust laws would prevent Intel from entering the GPU market, Intel is ALREADY in the GPU market, and all I said was they would be a welcomed 3rd competitor in the discrete GPU market
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I'm not sure what the discussion is about anymore....

LEAD Technologies Inc. V1.01

You claimed anti-trust laws would prevent Intel from entering the GPU market, Intel is ALREADY in the GPU market, and all I said was they would be a welcomed 3rd competitor in the discrete GPU market

Anti-trust claims do not have strength just by being in the market. If they destroy them, you'll see what it means.

Besides, you don't know what deals they have with each other, Intel is already in a duopoly of patents with AMD on x86/x86-64.

And in seriousness, did you consider what I said? Do you seriously think if their APU can play 3-year-old games, they can't get it out, just multiply the parallelism, cool it discreetly, and make it compete?
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