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I'm looking into replacing my rig with one that is more conducive to folding efficiently. I need the possible new rig to fit within an ATX footprint due to space constraints that I cannot otherwise work around, i.e. getting an E-ATX case is not in the cards. Otherwise I would be going for a 4P setup. So far I have three general candidate builds, ranked in order of how I anticipate they will perform/cost. Give me your input:

1. ASUS KCMA-D8 with 2 4174 HE
I am leaning towards this build most because it offers the highest clocks and most efficiency for the money. It also has a good feature set with more than one PCI-E x16 slot. However I have read several less than impressive reviews of the KCMA-D8 via multiple sites, and not familiar with the potential long term future of socket C32.

2. Gigabyte or Asus X58 Mobo with L5639
This comes a very close second to the above build due to the value L5639 offers. I place it second because X58 boards seem to have a finicky reputation, and the socket/platform is dead. I also refuse to pay what X58 boards seem to be going for nowadays on most sites, when 6 months ago they cost half as much or less.

3. SUPERMICRO MBD-H8SGL-F-O with either 6164 or 6128 HE
Simple build, though very doubtful it would offer much improvement over my current rig. Only one PCI x16 slot, and single socket is somewhat of a letdown. G34 will be around for awhile though. Am I correct in assuming that 6164 is preferable over the 6128 HE?
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Get the board from the first option, then get some CPUs with alot of cores for it. Folding@home SMP folding scales much better with available threads than it does clocks. Architecture helps too, which means if at all possible, get another of those LGA 1366 Xeons and get a 2P LGA 1366 board for them, as that would ultimately give you 24 threads and a whole hell of alot more PPD than 2 hex-core Opterons.

Basically, go with the option that gives you the most threads.
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I've looked into the 1366 route. From what I've found, a 2P board such as a SR-2 would be too large for my application, and cost 50% more than the 2P Opteron route.
Edited by btupsx - 10/28/13 at 8:25pm
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How well do C32 Opterons over clock/under volt? Is it the same tedious situation as with G34?
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How well do C32 Opterons over clock/under volt? Is it the same tedious situation as with G34?

Note: I haven't really kept up with the 4p opteron setups in a while. I sold my 4p almost a year ago.

No bioses were ever developed for the C32 socket as far as I know. There may not even be any bioses currently available for 2p G34 boards either. Definitely none for 1p boards.

With the G34 opterons, you can multiply the cores by the clock speed to get a rough representation of which cpus are faster. (This really only applies to folding as it scales well)



Honestly if you're looking to use this as a gaming rig and folding rig, you might better off just getting a standard cpu. A 3930k will probably put out as much ppd as those setups and still allow you to game effectively.
Opterons are best used in bulk. If you can't put out the performance to complete a bigadv in time on a 2p/4p, you're wasting your time.




Another thing to keep in mind:
I built my 4p for ~$1400 with 4 6128 cpus. Overclocked to 2.5ghz from 2.0 stock. You can get these cpus for almost nothing on ebay at this time.
Footprint will be a lot larger than what you're looking for, but it'll be quite powerful and upgradeable.
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Give me your input

An L5639 should be almost a guaranteed 3.2GHz+ in any decent LGA-1366 board, which would probably put it above any of the other options in value.

If you were to go with an X58 board, what would you be looking to spend on one?
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How well do C32 Opterons over clock/under volt? Is it the same tedious situation as with G34?

In general, they don't. Well, very few boards support any real tweaking of these parts.
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Thanks for the input guys. I believe I would like to cap X58 mobo expenditure to ~$100; it really bothers me that X58 boards are going for $150+ on most sites, when 6 months ago they were half as much. L5639 is responsible for the inflated market demand though. X58 would represent the most long term value, but then again the boards aren't under warranty, and I'd have to get triple channel RAM, when I have 2400 MHz dual channel lying around. I know that C32/G34 boards aren't very tweakable, yet how are people achieving the modest overclocks they report? With a strap? FWIW I don't really game very much anymore, and when I do it's usually older titles, so gaming strength isn't a major factor.
Edited by btupsx - 10/29/13 at 9:18am
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Alright so I've done some research.

Basic info:
Magny-Cours: Opteron 6100 aka MC
Bulldozer-based Interlagos: Opteron 6200 aka IL
Piledriver-based Abu Dhabi: Opteron 6300 aka AD


6100 series G34 can be overclocked using the bios Tear has developed at [H]. This is only works with the Supermicro H8QGi, H8QG6 or H8QGL boards. This is the method I used when I had my 4p.
Guide: http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1677395

IL and AD G34 and C32 production cpus are limited to overclocks based on power states. Basically they can be turned up to the highest boost clock as their highest 'overclock.' This is achieved using TurionPowerControl, also known as TPC.
Guide: http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1708870

IL and AD G34 and C32(?) are completely unlocked using TPC.
Guide: http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1039116320&postcount=7

How to install TPC: http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1669698
 
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Awesome find, will have to hit up the links when I get home. I'm primarily leaning towards the hexa MC, would the same parameters apply to it using TPC, or just AD and IL? At least there is *some* upside to them.
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I believe I would like to cap X58 mobo expenditure to ~$100

Get a used board.
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I'd have to get triple channel RAM, when I have 2400 MHz dual channel lying around.

Dual channel is rarely an appreciable hindrance for LGA-1366 (indeed the latency is lower and the memory can normally be clocked much higher relative to the uncore clock in dual channel), and even if you do want triple channel, you hardly need a triple channel kit.
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