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Ahhhhhh, I remember when you could hack a hexa core to pull bigadv units..... I've looked at 2600k, but honestly a rig based around a L5639 chip offers insane performance/cost that just cannot be ignored. Really budget isn't as much of a factor as space is. Board size must be within the range of large ATX, and all 2P boards I've found, with the exception of C32 based units, are too big. Another factor keeping me from pulling the trigger is the APU 13 conference in 2 weeks. I want to know what is happening with SR before I jump ship on my AM3+ board. If certain performance requirements are there, I could stick with it. I'm also hopeful that AMD updates their server offerings info at that time as well.
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Ahhhhhh, I remember when you could hack a hexa core to pull bigadv units..... I've looked at 2600k, but honestly a rig based around a L5639 chip offers insane performance/cost that just cannot be ignored. Really budget isn't as much of a factor as space is. Board size must be within the range of large ATX, and all 2P boards I've found, with the exception of C32 based units, are too big. Another factor keeping me from pulling the trigger is the APU 13 conference in 2 weeks. I want to know what is happening with SR before I jump ship on my AM3+ board. If certain performance requirements are there, I could stick with it. I'm also hopeful that AMD updates their server offerings info at that time as well.
LGA 2011 2Ps can be had in Plain Jane ATX form factor. I have one sitting next to me.
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There are a number of Supermicro 2P 2011 boards which are ATX size, this for example: http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/C600/X9DRL-iF.cfm

They also make 1356 boards that would suit your size limitations. Here's one: http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/C600/X9DAL-3.cfm

ZDngrfld is running E5-2400 series Xeons, socket 1356, with nice results, using this board: https://www.asus.com/Commercial_Servers_Workstations/Z9NAD6C/


What's so special about L5639? Hex core, Nehalem, twelve threads at 2.13GHz? Are they going for very cheap? I'd be surprised if you'd get that chip above 3.2GHz, a 2600K usually would clock up to 4.7GHz without too much hassle and at those speeds the SB would win.
The L5639, I'd guess a maximum of 30-35k PPD if it's gonna run Linux, less if going with Windows. 2600K would be around there too, a few k's higher and most likely less power consumption.
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When I was referring to 2P ATX size constraints, was largely referring to Opteron based options. I looked at 2011 based options, and the boards I could find either didn't have x16 slots, or only one, and/or required RDIMM's. I have two undervolting, high ASIC score 7870 XT's that I'd love to run concurrently, so the x16 size needs to be there. Have to admit I didn't look into 1356 options; that introduces a new wrinkle, will investigate.
Edited by btupsx - 10/30/13 at 2:21pm
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When I was referring to 2P ATX size constraints, was largely referring to Opteron based options. I looked at 2011 based options, and the boards I could find either didn't have x16 slots, or only one, and/or required RDIMM's. I have two undervolting, high ASIC score 7870 XT's that I'd love to run concurrently, so the x16 size needs to be there. Have to admit I didn't look into 1356 options; that introduces a new wrinkle, will investigate.
You're asking a lot from a little ATX board... lol
Can you not find a small case that can hold an E-ATX board? Lian-Li makes some. Rosewill has the Armor-Evo that will fit an E-ATX in a midsized case.
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I've seen the Lian-Li models, as well as the Rosewill models. While they aren't enormous, they are still substantially larger than I have now, and I don't have the luxury of space. Looked into the 1356 boards, and while they are feature rich, they only have at most one true x16 sized slot. I may just have to wait until I have more space, or go the 2600k route if I don't go X58. @ arvidab, the L5639 is special because it is extremely low voltage, it is laughably cheap, and it can OC to 3.6-4.0 with a good mobo/chip combo, on relatively stock vcore. I would expect a L5639 to beat a 2600k at those clocks.
Edited by btupsx - 10/30/13 at 7:58pm
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I've seen the Lian-Li models, as well as the Rosewill models. While they aren't enormous, they are still substantially larger than I have now, and I don't have the luxury of space. Looked into the 1356 boards, and while they are feature rich, they only have at most one true x16 sized slot. I may just have to wait until I have more space, or go the 2600k route if I don't go X58. @ arvidab, the L5639 is special because it is extremely low voltage, it is laughably cheap, and it can OC to 3.6-4.0 with a good mobo/chip combo, on relatively stock vcore. I would expect a L5639 to beat a 2600k at those clocks.
I'm at 3.8GHz stable on my X5650s. That's with a 20x multiplier... Good luck getting to that on a 16x multi...
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As I remember, since SR-2 there is almost no way to overclock. (~5% limit). CPUs locked and boards require custom bios.
It is bad idea to have 2p board folding with GPUs, you need to leave some cpu power to feed GPU, this way you losing bonus points for faster finish of unit. Your bonus from fast finish CPU can be more than credit from your gpu card.
You can keep your current setup with gpus and get 2P setup for folding. But you limited to space.
Edited by ASSSETS - 10/31/13 at 5:59am
 
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As I remember, since SR-2 there is almost no way to overclock. (~5% limit). CPUs locked and boards require custom bios.
It is bad idea to have 2p board folding with GPUs, you need to leave some cpu power to feed GPU, this way you losing bonus points for faster finish of unit. Your bonus from fast finish CPU can be more than credit from your gpu card.
You can keep your current setup with gpus and get 2P setup for folding. But you limited to space.
You're thinking of the SR-X, not the SR-2. SR-X utilizes the SB-EP and IVB-EP chips that are locked down. SR-2 utilizes and Nehalem-EP Westmere-EP chips which had unlocked FSB.
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As I remember, since SR-2 there is almost no way to overclock. (~5% limit). CPUs locked and boards require custom bios.
It is bad idea to have 2p board folding with GPUs, you need to leave some cpu power to feed GPU, this way you losing bonus points for faster finish of unit. Your bonus from fast finish CPU can be more than credit from your gpu card.
You can keep your current setup with gpus and get 2P setup for folding. But you limited to space.

I'm trying to balance the GPU load with the possible windfall of building a 2P+ bigadv machine. The 7870's usually pull ~60k PPD each when overclocked and undervolted. From what I've found, no 2P system will enable me to fold bigadv, along with dual GPU's, in ATX form factor. It's either 2P for bigadv (and barely qualifying) and one GPU, or 12 core CPU with dual GPU's. So, more and more 1366 and 1356 are looking better and better, though a 2P C32 build can match them, it sometimes ends up costing more due to CPU/mobo combos. The other option is to scrap the two aforementioned routes, and just wait to build a G34 4P once space allows.
Edited by btupsx - 10/31/13 at 8:28pm
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