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Here is my planned build: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1UATZ
It may change a little as I wont be actually building it for about 8 months, so I know a lot can change in that time. I dont really plan to change too much as I am just hoping that some of my prices will drop and make my build more affordable. The only reason I would change would be if some revolutionary is released and I would be dumb to not upgrade to it.

All the being said I am brand new to water cooling and basically know nothing... I am a quick learner and dont mind doing research if it will be something that I need. I would just like an honest opinion on whether or not I need to water cool something like this or if I would be okay with air cooling.

If I do need to water cool, it would be great if someone could push me in the right direction to get started on looking at systems and what I will need to get started. Thank you in advance for all your help! thumb.gif
post #2 of 25
Hmmm... For that build, you could just run a simple closed loop water cooler on the processor, just so you get nice temps and can do a little overclocking. You could also go for air cooling. Water cooling is not necessary, and you could just get a really nice air cooler for the price of an entry level water cooler. Are you going to overclock? And also, do you need to buy the 3930K? You could get a cheaper processor, and get better graphics cards. But this depends on what applications you will use and what the computer is for. So, what are you going to use the computer for? biggrin.gif

Edit: Also, if you really want to do custom water cooling, I do not think your case has the space for a radiator + fans on top of the motherboard. Of course you can get around this by using the radiator and then putting the fans on the top of the case instead.
Edited by Gregaroon - 10/29/13 at 11:07am
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I don't think you ever NEED to water cool...but once you go wet you can't go back.

I'd get a more water cooling friendly case though that isn't bad...you are just going to be limited to a single internal 240mm radiator at the top (it will fit in there with the motherboard). You might be able to sneak in another 140mm though. That case tends to fill up fast.
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post #4 of 25
If you want to plan to watercool the R4 is not the best choice.
The Arc Midi R2 or Corsair 540 would be much better suited and have the clearance to support this.

The video card you pick dont have a waterblock for it. As this is already a custom card. You will want a reference PCB for that.
    
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By the way, with the price you are paying for for the 760's, you can buy 2 7970s, and also there are much cheaper 760s out there.

7970 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150665
760 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125466

Right now the 7970 also comes with 3 free games. Keep in mind that by the time you are going to buy prices will probably be VERY different, and by then, there might be new products on the market. biggrin.gif
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I am just going to second the trends here. Again, depending on what you are going to use the computer for, that processor is way not necessary for gaming. And if you think you might want to do a custom water loop in the future to include those cards along with the cpu I would choose a more watercooling friendly case and reference boards on the cards.

Tip on the GPU's, if you are convinced that these will be the cards for you for the foreseeable future, go with reference PCBs. Even though these might be less bang for the buck at the time it will save you many headaches and open your options when looking for waterblocks. This coming from someone with 680 FTW editions. 1 waterblock design was made for these and it took them much longer to be released, now it is proving to be a pain just to find any in stock.

And I understand that there will be different deals in the future.
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Need ? no, there is an aluminum cooler that comes the CPU and Intel guarantees it can cool teh 3930K at default settings in a normal room temp. Would I advise someone who buys a 3930K to use it ? NO definitely not, if you for some crazy reason need such a powerful unlocked CPU it should by no means be under stock cooling, but you would need to detail your CPU needs a lot more to get advice that would suit you and make real sense, we can only give you general help:
-you seem to be doing it for games; drop the 3930K and get a 4670K and spend the rest on better GPU
-you dont seem to have a huge past with CPU cooling, try air cooling /OEM closed loops and see the benefits/drawbacks of OC before building a full WC yourself
-yes it's true the 760's are not the best at that price point, you should review your cpu-gpu price differance tho, if you aren't having a specific task for the CPU you didnt mention yet, just not worth it.
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I couldnt agree more about ditching the stock cooler. For 1 they make me uncomfortable because they allow such a high temperature (which i know is within what it is allowed to be but still, I started with ol AMDs where 92 C is bad news) and 2 you can spend $30 and get a cooler that will do way better.

I would propose dropping down to a 3570k even if you are going for gaming. 3770k if you think you need it. And if you keep the same price point on the motherboard this would allow for a really good overclocking/performance board.
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Thank you guys for all the responses! So much great information already, I'm going to try to help you guys out with what I'm using it for and all the questions you asked. If I miss something than just let me know.

What am I using it for? I plan to use this machine for gaming yes, but I also do work with Photoshop, Premiere, and possibly a little After Effects. I dont do crazy crazy projects but I do like to mess around in them, as it that is what I am in school for atm. I would like a rig that will be able to run these programs without even twitching and even be able to run multiple programs at once. This is the reason I went for a such a beefy processor. (This is also the reason for the 16gb of RAM) If you guys could recommend a cheaper processor that will still be able to run such programs without a twitch than that would be great I just figured that I could use the extra cores and processing power for the video and design work and it can double as being "future proof" for gaming.

New to cooling? Yes, I am very new to cooling. I obviously know that the computer needs to be cooled but where I struggle is: 1. water or air? 2. How much cooling do I need to achieve the temps I need?

Why the R4? I chose the R4 because it said that it had room for a water cooling system if I needed it (or wanted to upgrade to it later), it came with 2 fans (I added 2 more), it has a built in fan controller, and I like the looks of it tongue.gif

Video Card Questions: I chose the dual 760s because it gives me the power I want and I'm assuming with the new cards coming soon that the 760s will drop in price. I have looked into getting a more powerful single card but I just don't think that I will ever need dual 780s or dual Titans, and the dual 760s are more powerful than a single of either of those cards. I also chose the 4gb versions so that they will have plenty of VRAM for the future. As for possibly getting one of those new cards that are coming, I will look into for sure, but I just dont think they will be worth the money for me. They wont be too much more powerful than dual 760s if at all.

As for the waterblock and PCB questions: I dont really know how to answer these because I do not know enough about water cooling. If you guys could maybe explain these concepts to me a little more maybe I could help you out.
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CLC is fine, depends on how extensive you plan to oC
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