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Are you using a bare metal hypervisor ? if not then you need to account for the host and overhead from whatever VM software.

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Windows 8 does boot faster than 7 , but when your programs are borked due to improper Windows 8 support then it doesn't mean much. Windows XP is EOL on the other hand.

I use VMWare 10. It lacks the 3D support of 7 but is overall faster and smoother thus currently is my preferred VMWare software. I don't like Windows hypervisor, it's seriously lacking compared with VMWare. All OS's running in VMWare will have overhead thus it's not that much different and the reason why 8 loads faster than 7 is because it continues to load the OS even after the OS has 'loaded' which means a lot of the services that are loaded when Win 7 is fully operational still haven't loaded on 8.

In the end it's irrelevant as I hate the look of 8 and XP was EOL once Vista's drivers were finally updated and nVidia and AMD were no longer causing 50% of crashes (nVidia alone accounted for 30% of crashes and BSOD's in Vista).
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when XP launched in 2001, I worked for Compaq...I had to dig but I think this was my machine at the time:

Compaq Presario 7000 CPU: AMD Athlon 1.33GHz GPU: 64MB Creative 3D Blaster Annihilator II Ultra DDR RAM: 256MB PC800 DDR

I managed the retail product line back then and I use to rotate machines in and out of my house.

...in 2001 I had this phone:



think about what you had that was new in 2001... that puts into perspective how outdated XP is.
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*snip*

That's a very good way of putting things in perspective. I have Windows 8.1 and I'm really liking it. It's a much faster, more snappy OS than 7. Not to mention more modern which gives it better support for upcoming hardware and software. The whole "metro sucks" things is just banal at this point. It's the start menu in screen form. That's it. How often did you use your Start menu? In Win 7, I'd hit the Windows key and then just start to type what I was looking for; Win 8.1 is exactly the same only now much more robust. Also, I think people tend not to realize that this is Microsoft's answer to a very real problem for software developers: "How do you create a unified OS for all 4 major hardware platforms?" Those platforms being the desktop, laptop, phone and tablet. I think with 8.1 they're on the right track.

Anyway, I'm getting off topic here. I work as a computer tech at a store and I'm happy that people continue to use XP because it gives me more business.
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I like how some people trying to put a "Users hate change" on other people's head while ignored all of their reasons. rolleyes.gif
    
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Yep, this is how I use 8.1 and it works great. Left click the start button for a fullscreen start menu, then it's one click to the "all apps view" which is pretty much the programs folder from the old start menu.
You can even pull the same old trick of hitting the windows key and typing for universal search. No need to use a single metro app, and you can even boot to the desktop.


On the plus side, you get better performance, better security, better support, and a bunch of cool new features (8.1 skydrive integration is awesome for laptops).

Now, would I pay to upgrade from windows 7 to windows 8 at this point? I don't think so (I get windows 8 through school). But if they were equal cost and I had to buy an OS, Windows 8.1 with no hesitation.
This is a pretty good synopsis, imo. I just upgraded from 7 the other day, and despite my reservations, I'm actually loving the feel of 8.1. It looks and runs like a faster/cleaner Windows 7 (the boot times are insanely fast) and everything feels more responsive overall.

I'm not a huge fan of the Metro UI but since you can boot to the desktop in 8.1 it's really a non factor. I don't think I'll be going back. biggrin.gif
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I like how some people trying to put a "Users hate change" on other people's head while ignored all of their reasons. rolleyes.gif

It depends what it's about. If it's about XP then yes, it's the hate of change and learning something new. If it's going from Win 7 to 8 then no, it's not. There are fundamental changes to not just the look of the OS but other changes as well that are just irritating and frustrating. I won't go into them as it's irrelevant but you are right, without taking their reasons into account many think they are somehow more superiour simply because they are willing to accept something new over something old.

XP simply is too archaic to update and even Linux gets updated every few years. XP has been an exception and shouldn't be the norm. SP 3 tried to update the kernel to Win 6 (Vista) but is at times a miserable failure and can be incompatible with hardware and software (I've had XP SP3 fail on me many a time until I gave up and went back to SP 2). Kernels can't eternally be updated nor can the OS be eternally patched, there comes a time when it has to be abandoned and something new has to replace it. It's no different with planes, trains and automobiles.
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Because software is entirely broken in Vista/7/8? That's a good reason. For an end-user, it's not like they'd know what to do in general and it costs $100.

Software is not entirely broken in 7/Vista. I don't know why people like to promote this myth, but there are only few, very specific bits of software that are not ported to 7/Vista.
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I still find XP and XP x64 useful.

And what purpose might that be? There aren't a lot of features that XP has that 7 doesn't. Most if not all software is just as readily available for 7 as it is for XP. Unless somehow your entire business is dependent on a single piece of software with no alternatives that's not available on 7, I don't see the need to linger on XP.

I mean really, aside from Nostalgia how many advantages do you have by keeping XP vs the advantages you lose vs going 7?
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Shameless attempt to convince people windows XP isn't safe and that Windows 8 just happens to be the safest OS.

Which is actually true, regardless of what else you might think of Windows 8.
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Software is not entirely broken in 7/Vista. I don't know why people like to promote this myth, but there are only few, very specific bits of software that are not ported to 7/Vista.
And what purpose might that be? There aren't a lot of features that XP has that 7 doesn't. Most if not all software is just as readily available for 7 as it is for XP. Unless somehow your entire business is dependent on a single piece of software with no alternatives that's not available on 7, I don't see the need to linger on XP.

I mean really, aside from Nostalgia how many advantages do you have by keeping XP vs the advantages you lose vs going 7?

There are embedded devices that never need to access the internet thus they won't benefit from enhanced security. Also the space shuttle has the calculating prowess of a 386 and hadn't been upgraded in decades simply because there was no need for it, it didn't need to play Crysis so what would the point have been in putting state of the art chips in it? The point is that each specialised task has its own requirements but for consumers 7 and 8 are, indeed, the best though I won't touch 8 as there is no Windows Classic option and I hate the full screen start menu to death.
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Software is not entirely broken in 7/Vista. I don't know why people like to promote this myth, but there are only few, very specific bits of software that are not ported to 7/Vista.
And what purpose might that be? There aren't a lot of features that XP has that 7 doesn't. Most if not all software is just as readily available for 7 as it is for XP. Unless somehow your entire business is dependent on a single piece of software with no alternatives that's not available on 7, I don't see the need to linger on XP.

I mean really, aside from Nostalgia how many advantages do you have by keeping XP vs the advantages you lose vs going 7?

Well usually the biggest of advantage is cost usually. I worked at a factory that was still running Win XP with P4 systems from Dell. Hell the only reason why we got a New Pc for the UPS terminal was because the new version of WorldShip 10 did not work fast enough so they got a Dell with A64 x2 system with XP because whole freaking Network was using XP except the servers, they were all linux lol.
 
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