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It depends what it's about. If it's about XP then yes, it's the hate of change and learning something new.

I use Windows 7 (and Sever 2008 R2) on just as many, if not more, systems than I use XP era OSes on, and I am quite proficient in Windows 7. This doesn't mean Windows 7 is always better.
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About the only time Windows XP (64 bit) is better than Windows 7 is if you need DOS programs , which get borked in Windows 7

16-bit programs including, most DOS programs, don't run in Windows XP x64 either.
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Software is not entirely broken in 7/Vista. I don't know why people like to promote this myth, but there are only few, very specific bits of software that are not ported to 7/Vista.
And what purpose might that be? There aren't a lot of features that XP has that 7 doesn't. Most if not all software is just as readily available for 7 as it is for XP. Unless somehow your entire business is dependent on a single piece of software with no alternatives that's not available on 7, I don't see the need to linger on XP.

I mean really, aside from Nostalgia how many advantages do you have by keeping XP vs the advantages you lose vs going 7?

Discounting programs that need DX10+ XP x64 will run 95%+ of the stuff that runs on Windows 7, often at completely indistinguishable speeds on the same hardware. XP x64 will fit into about 1.5GB of disk space, fully updated. 32-bit XP is even smaller. Windows 2k is smaller still. Windows 7 needs about 10. XP x64 will run very well on 512MiB of memory. These things add up when you are running a pile of VMs on the same system, or have to move them around frequently. They are also quite relevant to older software.

I have a broken EeePC 900 that runs various proxies and clients, some of which either aren't on anything but Windows, or which would require significant effort on my part to get working on Linux. This system is running Windows XP (32-bit) because it has a 4GB SSD in it and there is almost no conceivable way I could even get Windows 7 to fit.

Even if I had no specific reason to "linger" on older OS, I would still lack a specific reason to change them. I have systems that have not been rebooted in months or even years (the EeePC has been on for 28 months straight, by virtue of it's battery) without issues and I'm not going to replace something that works fine with a considerably more expensive something that does the same thing, especially when I'll have to spend hours configuring it, if I can ever remember how I got all the crap on it to work in the first place.

Yes, Windows 7 would work just fine for many of the tasks I use older OSes for, but the end result would often be no perceptible improvement for a decent bit of effort.
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think about what you had that was new in 2001... that puts into perspective how outdated XP is.

I bought a very nice titanium folding knife in ~2001. It doesn't feel particularly outdated. I dare say it works like new.
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I use Windows 7 (and Sever 2008 R2) on just as many, if not more, systems than I use XP era OSes on, and I am quite proficient in Windows 7. This doesn't mean Windows 7 is always better.
16-bit programs including, most DOS programs, don't run in Windows XP x64 either.
Discounting programs that need DX10+ XP x64 will run 95%+ of the stuff that runs on Windows 7, often at completely indistinguishable speeds on the same hardware. XP x64 will fit into about 1.5GB of disk space, fully updated. 32-bit XP is even smaller. Windows 2k is smaller still. Windows 7 needs about 10. XP x64 will run very well on 512MiB of memory. These things add up when you are running a pile of VMs on the same system, or have to move them around frequently. They are also quite relevant to older software.

I have a broken EeePC 900 that runs various proxies and clients, some of which either aren't on anything but Windows, or which would require significant effort on my part to get working on Linux. This system is running Windows XP (32-bit) because it has a 4GB SSD in it and there is almost no conceivable way I could even get Windows 7 to fit.

Even if I had no specific reason to "linger" on older OS, I would still lack a specific reason to change them. I have systems that have not been rebooted in months or even years (the EeePC has been on for 28 months straight, by virtue of it's battery) without issues and I'm not going to replace something that works fine with a considerably more expensive something that does the same thing, especially when I'll have to spend hours configuring it, if I can ever remember how I got all the crap on it to work in the first place.

Yes, Windows 7 would work just fine for many of the tasks I use older OSes for, but the end result would often be no perceptible improvement for a decent bit of effort.
I bought a very nice titanium folding knife in ~2001. It doesn't feel particularly outdated. I dare say it works like new.

This is why in my previous post I mentioned that using XP depends entirely on the environment it's used in. However, for general use I wouldn't class XP as secure also XP lacks the ability to assign threads properly to more than two cores, which is why it was updated to SP 3. However SP 3 still isn't vista and there is no way current CPU's work as well on XP as they do with 7, 8 or Linux.

I wouldn't recommend using Linux, as Linux has its own plethora of problems (Mint and Ubuntu have committed suicide while updating many a time mad.gif), however anything over a dual core I'd say XP is severely restricted and XP64 also isn't a proper solution, thus 7 or 8 are far better due to scheduling and other issues. This entire discussion is like saying MacOS or Linux from 10 years ago is just as good as as the ones today, which isn't true. I don't know much about Apple's offerings but it's obvious that the older the OS the more insecure it is. If I do have to go back to XP I'd rather use sever 2003. That was one epic OC.

One glaring difference between your knife and XP is that your knife can't access the internet and is never exposed to the uncountable amount of virusses written especially to destroy XP.
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Point is, I shouldn't have to use third party programs just to divert the tablet Metro interface, it's always their underneath desktop mode. Microsoft should at least offer a desktop Metro free version for regular PC users, and tablet gimmicky stuff for users like you who don't mind.

Microsoft gave it's oldest customers the finger with Metro and W8.

Windows 7, until I can jump off with SteamOS... Bye bye Windows..
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Point is, I shouldn't have to use third party programs just to divert the tablet Metro interface, it's always their underneath desktop mode. Microsoft should at least offer a desktop Metro free version for regular PC users, and tablet gimmicky stuff for users like you who don't mind.

Microsoft gave it's oldest customers the finger with Metro and W8.

Windows 7, until I can jump off with SteamOS... Bye bye Windows..
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I'm not going to replace something that works fine with a considerably more expensive something that does the same thing, especially when I'll have to spend hours configuring it, if I can ever remember how I got all the crap on it to work in the first place.

This.
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I bought a very nice titanium folding knife in ~2001. It doesn't feel particularly outdated. I dare say it works like new.

so you are comparing a folding knife to PC technology / Hardware / Operating Systems... makes perfect sense. you are not 100% not clueless to the point of my post.
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however anything over a dual core I'd say XP is severely restricted and XP64 also isn't a proper solution, thus 7 or 8 are far better due to scheduling and other issues.

Yes, the schedulers have improved in 7 and 8, but it's still rarely a major difference. Most multi-threaded tests don't show more than a low single digit percentage advantage between XP x64 and 7 on a hyperthreaded hex core.

Regardless, most of the systems or VMs I'm running XP and older OSes on only have one or two logical CPUs.
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One glaring difference between your knife and XP is that your knife can't access the internet and is never exposed to the uncountable amount of virusses written especially to destroy XP.

Being attached to the internet, behind even the most basic hardware firewall, does not automatically make a system vulnerable. You still have to do something foolish, even with an insecure OS.
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so you are comparing a folding knife to PC technology / Hardware / Operating Systems... makes perfect sense. you are not 100% not clueless to the point of my post.

Does an outdated phone, that still connects to a cellular (or whatever) network, that is still able to make and receive calls, that still holds a charge/lasts as long as you need it, really need to be replaced if all you want is a phone? I still don't have a smart phone. I don't own any device equipped with a touch screen (I hate touch screens). I get by fine.

It's the same deal with my knife. Alloys, coatings, and blade geometries have advanced measurably in the last decade, but my knife still cuts just fine, even though it's no longer top of the line.
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I work as roll-out technician in many banks. 100% of them use XP in thousands of computers (all over the country).

There is no way that will change in the next 5 years. They still work with AS/400 too.

“It still works fine” is the answer that they after we (the technicians) asked for an OS update.

One bank had the upgrade from NT to XP before 3 years so for them it’s pretty new.

They never make updates (only if necessary) and for security they depend only from the AV companies. Also many customers of mine don’t want to change. The old software they use works (Office 2003, Autocad 2004, Archicad , browsers…) and they don’t even think to upgrade.

The only that use new Windows is the ones who buy a laptop. But again many ask for a downgrade to XP because they are used to it!!!
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I guess I am just one of the minority in that I absolutely hate using an old OS. Even Win7 feels lod and outdated to me now that I have Win8. I just like fresh and new personally...

+1

Windows 7 does feel dated
And slow

Takes for ever to boot even with a SSD
OS responsiveness isn't as good.

Windows 8.1 feels a little faster then 8 as well, what was a unexpected touch.

I used the Netflix metro app, so that side at least has one useful thing about it. But I never really see the metro screen and I still have my old startmenu thanks to star8. Wouldn't go back to 7 if someone gave me $500 to do so.

I'm getting 10-15 second boots off my SATA II laptop using one of the slowest current generation SSDs. It was under 20 seconds before I disabled the BIOS splash screen. It's the placebo effect, I'm sure. I'd be okay with 8 had they not ruined the UI. If it were Vista v3.0, that's be okay, since 7 is awesome and is more-or-less Vista v2.0. But nope. We can't have nice things.
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so you are comparing a folding knife to PC technology / Hardware / Operating Systems... makes perfect sense. you are not 100% not clueless to the point of my post.

How is he clueless. His example was spot on. To most people a computer is a tool (folding knife) they use to complete a task. There is no need to replace a tool that is doing it's job with a new shiny tool that will do the exact same thing but requires you to spend at least $500.

I have several tools in my toolbox that are probably older than most folks on this forum. Why would I replace them? Because the manufacturer tells me I need a new tool? That is marketing hype 101.
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Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Software News › [blogs.technet.com] Infection rates and end of support for Windows XP