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I've just trawled through this thread and noticed a recurring theme, why did NV name a card GHz? As AMD has already used that acronym, this occurred to me:-

AMD won both contracts to supply the next-gen consoles, Extremely lucrative contracts which will give them major profit's for many years. So Nvidia has only the GPU market to aim at and has been gunning heavily at AMD recently. They reacted very quickly to AMD's new card releases and seem intent on keeping the competition down. In order to retain the top dog crown and solidify their position as GPU market leaders. Which is all good for us as the consumers who part with our hard earned cash and can get great products for a lot less coin. But what better way is there to beat the opposition, than by using AMD's own stick. Ergo lets copy one of their cards titles, just to rub salt in their wounds. Just a theory but a feasible one for-sure!!! wink.gif

I would love to see where that info is because the past 2 consoles say otherwise.

And Nvidia only has the GPU market?

BTW, there is no GHZ model.
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I would love to see where that info is because the past 2 consoles say otherwise.

And Nvidia only has the GPU market?

BTW, there is no GHZ model.

Let them believe what ever they want to believe. NVIDIA is copying AMD, because AMD is the model company other companies strive to be like.

This past quarter was the first quarter AMD turned a profit in a while, ALL companies especially NVIDIA wish they could say the same.
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My only real point of annoyance in all these GPU threads lately is the " it's AMD's fault for no competition" explanation for titans price. When AMD had no competition they released the 7970 pretty high at the time (or so we thought) for 550$. Let's get something straight, there is a huge difference between competitive advantage/market placement pricing and price gouging. Titan was never worth 1000$, stop defending Nvidia for price raping us. Seriously, just stop.

On topic: looks like Nv is taking AMD seriously again. Bodes well for us, the consumer.

Do you know why NV is taking AMD seriously again, because they finally have competing products.

Do you know why NV dropped prices on the 780? Because AMD has a competing product.

Your insinuation that I do not understand why Nvidias prices have dropped is insulting. That is simple and clear. thumb.gif

You, as well as everyone else who responded to me, fail to see my point. Just because there is not a competing product, it does not justify completely absurd pricing. Having an un-challenged performance edge demands a price premium, I completely get that. It does not demand 100% price increase over competitor for 20-30% more performance. This mentality and those who purchase such overpriced BS cause the inflated pricing to proliferate. It is not acceptable. Next time I hope they price GTX 880 or whatever at 2000$ so I can hear more absurd reasons why Nvidia pricing isn't completely borked. rolleyes.gif
 
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I would love to see where that info is because the past 2 consoles say otherwise.

That's why I said next-gen, current-gen production will start to fade out as the demand for them drops.

And Nvidia only has the GPU market?

Nvidia's core income comes from graphic's card sales, does it not?

BTW, there is no GHZ model.

Maybe in theory due to the B1 stepping chips are already in circulation. But there's plenty of news releases and there's no smoke without fire as they say!!! wink.gif

Edit; I just spotted the debunk thread on here, LOLLLLZZZZZZZ. Oh well it gave us all summat new to talk about!!! wink.gif
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Your insinuation that I do not understand why Nvidias prices have dropped is insulting. That is simple and clear. thumb.gif

You, as well as everyone else who responded to me, fail to see my point. Just because there is not a competing product, it does not justify completely absurd pricing. Having an un-challenged performance edge demands a price premium, I completely get that. It does not demand 100% price increase over competitor for 20-30% more performance. This mentality and those who purchase such overpriced BS cause the inflated pricing to proliferate. It is not acceptable. Next time I hope they price GTX 880 or whatever at 2000$ so I can hear more absurd reasons why Nvidia pricing isn't completely borked. rolleyes.gif

Check out my sig rig, I haven't bought into, nor have I supported this high price paradigm. wink.gif

I could give you many quotes where I've said that Titan isn't worth $1000, 680 shouldn't have used GK104 and charged $500 for it.

I was having fun with you to prove a point. AMD's lack of competition allowed NVIDIA to charge a premium for their products, much the same way that Intel is able to charge a premium for their products.

Don't forget, AMD attempted to charge $900 for an overclocked 8350 which they normally sell for $200. They forgot one key part of the equation, premium products, that receive premium pricing are usually the fastest products on the market.

I and those who replied to you understand how the "game" works.

You said that the 7970 wasn't overpriced when it was released? Did you know that AMD charged a 57% price premium over the 6970, which is the card it was replacing? Look at how much a 280x is today, $300.

Do you remember how it took 3 WEEKS for AMD to finally drop prices after the 680 released? They didn't want to drop prices right away, because 680's were sold out everywhere. NVIDIA on the other hand managed to drop prices of the 780 within 2 business days after the 290X released.

Trust me, if AMD could charge more for their products for longer periods of time, they most certainly would, but the stiff competition they face doesn't allow them to, that's the reality. Surely you remember the original FX days right?

P.S. Speaking of the 9590 earlier, AMD is the only company I've ever known that would do this.

LEAD Technologies Inc. V1.01

YES, you can buy both right now, funny thing is, the $429 part comes with Liquid Cooling, while the more expensive one doesn't even come with a cooler. The Price/Performance King strikes again. thumb.gif

LEAD Technologies Inc. V1.01

That's by far the biggest fail I've ever seen from any of these companies. kookoo.gif
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Check out my sig rig, I haven't bought into, nor have I supported this high price paradigm. wink.gif

I could give you many quotes where I've said that Titan isn't worth $1000, 680 shouldn't have used GK104 and charged $500 for it.

I was having fun with you to prove a point. AMD's lack of competition allowed NVIDIA to charge a premium for their products, much the same way that Intel is able to charge a premium for their products.

Don't forget, AMD attempted to charge $900 for an overclocked 8350 which they normally sell for $200. They forgot one key part of the equation, premium products, that receive premium pricing are usually the fastest products on the market.

I and those who replied to you understand how the "game" works.

You said that the 7970 wasn't overpriced when it was released? Did you know that AMD charged a 57% price premium over the 6970, which is the card it was replacing? Look at how much a 280x is today, $300.

Do you remember how it took 3 WEEKS for AMD to finally drop prices after the 680 released? They didn't want to drop prices right away, because 680's were sold out everywhere. NVIDIA on the other hand managed to drop prices of the 780 within 2 business days after the 290X released.

Trust me, if AMD could charge more for their products for longer periods of time, they most certainly would, but the stiff competition they face doesn't allow them to, that's the reality. Surely you remember the original FX days right?

P.S. Speaking of the 9590 earlier, AMD is the only company I've ever known that would do this.

LEAD Technologies Inc. V1.01

YES, you can buy both right now, funny thing is, the $429 part comes with Liquid Cooling, while the more expensive one doesn't even come with a cooler. The Price/Performance King strikes again. thumb.gif

LEAD Technologies Inc. V1.01

That's by far the biggest fail I've ever seen from any of these companies. kookoo.gif

The difference these is that HD 7970 > GTX680.

290X > GTX780.

Only now i see why HD 7970 was priced @ $550. That card was and still is a beast. When games start to use more then 2 GB it will trail behind GTX780 while every other Nvidia card under GTX780 will fall.
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I agree. I never understood why 2010rig and others gave AMD a hard time for the 7970's price? It demolished the then-King GTX 580; the price had nothing to do with the 6970. Remember that the 7970 launched in Dec 2011 and remained the fastest single-GPU card on the market (at max OC anyway) until the Titan launched in Feb of this year. It was and remains a great video card...
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I agree. I never understood why 2010rig and others gave AMD a hard time for the 7970's price? It demolished the then-King GTX 580; the price had nothing to do with the 6970. Remember that the 7970 launched in Dec 2011 and remained the fastest single-GPU card on the market (at max OC anyway) until the Titan launched in Feb of this year. It was and remains a great video card...

When the 680 launched it was faster than the 7970.  It took AMD a while to get proper drivers for it (actually I think they may still be working on it).

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When the 680 launched it was faster than the 7970.  It took AMD a while to get proper drivers for it (actually I think they may still be working on it).

It took them a few months, and they are still working on 1600P+ resolution, and multi-display, frame pacing. 1440P and lower is perfectly fine.
    
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It took them a few months, and they are still working on 1600P+ resolution, and multi-display, frame pacing. 1440P and lower is perfectly fine.

I'm still waiting on a descent OpenCL Linux driver.

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