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Cuz they're too busy with console that is more profit than GPUs

where's that proof?

after last gen, both sony and microsoft are probably pretty stingy this time around.
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So a 290 gets delayed for a driver release....oh really? That doesn't sound suspicious. I wonder if this "driver" will be compatible with all of their other GPU's....

sounds more like "crap, 780's are competitively priced and could now be competing against our future 290.....gotta +100 on the core!! Gotta look good at stock performance!!! "
. A good decision whichever way you look at it.
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post #73 of 106
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Oh wait, not this logic again.

They are a duopoly and have been doing staggered releases for years, sometimes it's AMD that launches cards first, sometimes it's Nvidia. Look at the HD 7970 launch in January of 2012, AMD beat Nvidia by two months and then there were major availability issues with the GTX 680, with many people calling it a paper launch, with the GTX 670 only being launched in May. Not to mention Nvidia didn't have anything to fight AMD in the mainstream segment for several months - the GTX 660 was only launched in September, while the Radeon HD 7800 series was launched in March.

When they don't have simultaneous releases you can't really talk about losing a generation, because what they really compete for is your money, not to mention it's practically impossible to say what a generation is since you can't really tell where it begins and ends, with re-badged slightly tuned cards and previous high-end generation parts acting as mainstream parts for the next generation all in the mix.

While you made some good points it still stands that there were over 8 months from any sort of launch ("paper" or otherwise) between the 780 and the 290x compared to the two months (or even 3 if you want to talk about availability, which the 290x would still has to prove). Half a year of difference between the two is a huge margin. All the while AMD fans are gripping about Nvidia's pricing while AMD's slowness is the single reason behind it. Just sick of reading how with the 290x Nvidia is in trouble or how AMD is making Nvidia hurt when it is AMD playing catch up. Nvidia already capitalized this gen and just now is it becoming an even playing field. On top of that, on an even playing field still favors Nvidia. If AMD wants a bigger share of the market they need to come out with GPUs that clearly take the crown (quality, performance, and price/performance) to entice people from the green side to switch. They are hoping Mantle does this for them but that's too many eggs in one basket.

cheers.gif Here is to hoping their console money helps them become more competitive (and timely) in the GPU market so we can have competitive prices for a majority of the year instead of one season.
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post #74 of 106
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While you made some good points it still stands that there were over 8 months from any sort of launch ("paper" or otherwise) between the 780 and the 290x compared to the two months (or even 3 if you want to talk about availability, which the 290x would still has to prove). Half a year of difference between the two is a huge margin. All the while AMD fans are gripping about Nvidia's pricing while AMD's slowness is the single reason behind it. Just sick of reading how with the 290x Nvidia is in trouble or how AMD is making Nvidia hurt when it is AMD playing catch up. Nvidia already capitalized this gen and just now is it becoming an even playing field. On top of that, on an even playing field still favors Nvidia. If AMD wants a bigger share of the market they need to come out with GPUs that clearly take the crown (quality, performance, and price/performance) to entice people from the green side to switch. They are hoping Mantle does this for them but that's too many eggs in one basket.

cheers.gif Here is to hoping their console money helps them become more competitive (and timely) in the GPU market so we can have competitive prices for a majority of the year instead of one season.

It wasn't 8 months between the GTX 780 and the R9 290X, it was 5 months, unless you mean the Titan. I'll take your words that "Half a year of difference between the two is a huge margin.", yes, it is, Nvidia took almost 6 months to release the GTX 660 last year after AMD launched the 7800 series. Guess which cards sell the most ? High-end or mainstream ? Why do you think Nvidia only lowered the price of the GTX 770 two days ago, but they reacted immediately when AMD released the R9 270X and lowered the prices of both GTX 660 and GTX 650 Ti Boost ?

That is why your opinion on what constitutes losing a generation is highly subjective.

Your last comment about them being timely is also wrong as I demonstrated in my first post. Sometimes they are first, sometimes they aren't. Do you remember the first DX 10 cards ? Nvidia was first. Do you remember the first DX 11 cards ? AMD was first.

As I said, they are competing for your money, a staggered release between both companies maximizes that.
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post #75 of 106
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where's that proof?

after last gen, both sony and microsoft are probably pretty stingy this time around.

This isnt in reference to the consoles, but as mentioned earlier, AMD was well ahead of Nvidia last "gen" with their cards, especially mid-range. Being "late" to the game isn't as terrible as it sounds. Especially considering how many people bought 7970s and 7950s dirt cheap waiting on future gen cards instead of dropping a huge load for Nvidia cards.
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I dont know...seems like every NVIDIA nay sayer has been wrong about these Hawaii cards so far. So I'm going to guess that this driver update is legit. They will release the driver and card same day. 290x sees performance increase just after a 780 TI review is released. Most curious as to the OC potential of this 290 non x...Show me a MSI TF 290 for $449 behind curtain number 1 please!
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post #77 of 106
Benchmarks for 290 as someone got 290 instead of 290x lol

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18551717&page=35
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Nice I wonder what clock he had to do for that

DampMonkey got 61.1fps 290x 1220/1500


EDIT: Wait, that score is terrible. Either he's not OC'ing or drivers aren't ready. That's at 900p vs our 1080p
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