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Well, I'm curious what you all think I should do.

I can get my same or similar reference Sapphire 7870 for around $175. It is currently not overclocked (a crime, but I've had no time lately frown.gif ), and in it's current form it actually suits 99% of my gaming needs.

I haven't had the itch to upgrade for a long time. Between the blocked and clocked 2500K and the 7870, I've been really comfortable with my setup and very few games have posed much of a challenge for on my single 1080p monitor. However, recently Tomb Raider and BF4 put enough strain on the card that I'm starting to feel the itch again.

On one hand, I think a waterblock and overclock on the 7870 would put me once again in the comfortable zone (maybe not entirely for BF4) and would be a little cheaper than another card (plus it'd be fun and look cool!). That said, finding the time to reconstruct my loop might require that I end up waiting until after this term before I did anything.

On the other hand, the second 7870 would boost performance significantly and would require basically no added time for reconfiguration. However, it would end up being a tad more expensive and the Crossfire frame-pacing issues that have come to light relatively recently might bother me. If the most recent drivers are really all they've been hyped up to be, that might be less of a contributor to my decision.

Thoughts, suggestions, comments, arguments?
Edited by SectorNine50 - 10/29/13 at 11:06pm
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I wouldn't bother water cooling it. Just get a second one assuming you can keep it cool enough on air in your case smile.gif

By the time you get the block you'd almost be at the price of another 7870 and you'll get much more performance from that.
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OP its pointless to watercool a mid range card. sell the HD 7870 for 150 bucks. throw in another 250 - 300 bucks and get a R9 290. you will be spending slightly more. but with a single GPU it would be worth it for the sheer consistency. moreover it has massive 4GB VRAM. the 2GB on the HD 7870 is going to start limiting you in next gen games like BF4.

http://videocardz.com/47439/amd-radeon-r9-290-pushed-back-week
http://www.techpowerup.com/193497/radeon-r9-290-non-x-launch-pushed-back-a-week.html

AMD just pushed the R9 290 launch to Nov 5th. newer drivers for better performance seems to be the reason. this card will easily perform on par or faster than HD 7870 CF . but as as single GPU it will be consistent (not dependent on working CF profiles) and with much smoother performance (better frametimes). thumb.gif
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I wouldn't bother water cooling it. Just get a second one assuming you can keep it cool enough on air in your case smile.gif

By the time you get the block you'd almost be at the price of another 7870 and you'll get much more performance from that.

That's kind of where I had landed as well after I thought about it today. From a financial point of view, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to waterblock it... But watercooling so much fuuun... tongue.gif
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OP its pointless to watercool a mid range card. sell the HD 7870 for 150 bucks. throw in another 250 - 300 bucks and get a R9 290. you will be spending slightly more. but with a single GPU it would be worth it for the sheer consistency. moreover it has massive 4GB VRAM. the 2GB on the HD 7870 is going to start limiting you in next gen games like BF4.

http://videocardz.com/47439/amd-radeon-r9-290-pushed-back-week
http://www.techpowerup.com/193497/radeon-r9-290-non-x-launch-pushed-back-a-week.html

AMD just pushed the R9 290 launch to Nov 5th. newer drivers for better performance seems to be the reason. this card will easily perform on par or faster than HD 7870 CF . but as as single GPU it will be consistent (not dependent on working CF profiles) and with much smoother performance (better frametimes). thumb.gif

Well, pointless is very much subjective then, because I'd waterblock my RaspberryPi if I had the time... smile.gif Watercooling has a "that's neat" factor that I enjoy; I like being able to push components while watching them remain at their stock temperatures. I'm very much an efficiency freak... Milk everything I can out of everything I can!

I'm not really looking to spend $250-300 right now; $175 was about as high as I wanted to go at this moment in time. Remember, my 7870 still satisfies 99% of my gaming needs.


Perhaps it's best to hold off for now and just see what prices do. I'm sure as the latest generation of cards get adopted, the prices of 7870's will continue to drop.
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I'm not really looking to spend $250-300 right now; $175 was about as high as I wanted to go at this moment in time. Remember, my 7870 still satisfies 99% of my gaming needs. Perhaps it's best to hold off for now and just see what prices do. I'm sure as the latest generation of cards get adopted, the prices of 7870's will continue to drop.

if the HD 7870 is keeping you happy then selling that and getting a ASUS R9 280X DCII TOP would be a good upgrade. 35% faster than R9 270X and 45% faster than HD 7870. thumb.gif

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/R9_280X_Direct_Cu_II_TOP/26.html

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HD 7870 - 68
R9 270X - 74
ASUS R9 280X DCII TOP - 100 (74 x 1.35 = 99.9)

this card is the best reviewed and quietest R9 280X. get it as soon as its back in stock thumb.gif
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if the HD 7870 is keeping you happy then selling that and getting a ASUS R9 280X DCII TOP would be a good upgrade. 35% faster than R9 270X and 45% faster than HD 7870. thumb.gif

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/R9_280X_Direct_Cu_II_TOP/26.html

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HD 7870 - 68
R9 270X - 74
ASUS R9 280X DCII TOP - 100 (74 x 1.35 = 99.9)

this card is the best reviewed and quietest R9 280X. get it as soon as its back in stock thumb.gif

That's an interesting option; what are they expecting the 280X's to cost?

The 280X alone probably wouldn't out perform a pair of 7870's though, right?
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R9 280X is $299 on Newegg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125475.

However, considering what new 7870's are going for, I don't think you will get $150 used.

Also, I thought AMD's new drivers solved the crossfire stutter issue.

Cheers thumb.gif
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That's an interesting option; what are they expecting the 280X's to cost?

The 280X alone probably wouldn't out perform a pair of 7870's though, right?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121803

asus r9 280x dcii top is USD 310. HD 7870 CF might run faster in games where CF scales well. but definitely R9 280X will be more consistent (when CF does not work like COH2 or Total war rome 2 ) and smoother due to more consistent frametimes. thumb.gif
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I would wait for the 290 (non-x) to come out, it should be out in a month. The bang-for-buck with that card will blow everything out of the water for mid-high end cards.
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I would wait for the 290 (non-x) to come out, it should be out in a month. The bang-for-buck with that card will blow everything out of the water for mid-high end cards.

R9 290 launches in 5 days actually biggrin.gif

http://www.techpowerup.com/193497/radeon-r9-290-non-x-launch-pushed-back-a-week.html
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