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Hello, im wondering this myself, Watercooling would look cool, and im all for better temps for more overclocking room. My HD 7870 has unlocked voltage, and i was wondering if getting a second 7870 would help me in my adventures in 1440p, and more performance in BF4 when i buy it.
I will be eventually buying a second HD 7870 and throwing it into crossfire mode. When that time comes, im not very sure. redface.gif
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Hello, im wondering this myself, Watercooling would look cool, and im all for better temps for more overclocking room. My HD 7870 has unlocked voltage, and i was wondering if getting a second 7870 would help me in my adventures in 1440p, and more performance in BF4 when i buy it.
I will be eventually buying a second HD 7870 and throwing it into crossfire mode. When that time comes, im not very sure. redface.gif

the better choice would be to get a R9 290 or R9 290X and overclock it. wait for custom R9 290 series cards in late Nov thumb.gif

http://www.sweclockers.com/artikel/17810-prestandaanalys-battlefield-4/3#pagehead
http://www.techspot.com/review/734-battlefield-4-benchmarks/page4.html

R9 290X is1.8x - 1.9x the R9 270X (HD 7870 at 1050 mhz) . remember the R9 290X throttles even in uber mode. look at the min fps at 1440p in sweclockers BF4 multiplayer -44 fps . this is something which is you can never get on a HD 7870 CF.
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the better choice would be to get a R9 290 or R9 290X and overclock it. wait for custom R9 290 series cards in late Nov thumb.gif

http://www.sweclockers.com/artikel/17810-prestandaanalys-battlefield-4/3#pagehead
http://www.techspot.com/review/734-battlefield-4-benchmarks/page4.html

R9 290X is1.8x - 1.9x the R9 270X (HD 7870 at 1050 mhz) . remember the R9 290X throttles even in uber mode. look at the min fps at 1440p in sweclockers BF4 multiplayer -44 fps . this is something which is you can never get on a HD 7870 CF.

You have to realize what you're recommending; the reason we have 7870's is because we can't or don't want to drop $500+ on a graphics card. Otherwise we would've had 7970's to begin with and this would be an entirely different conversation. If we can get close to the 290X's performance (7870's scale very well in CF, from what I've seen: almost 2x) for $150-$175, don't you think recommending a 290 or 290X is a bit illogical?
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One thing neither crossfire nor sli can make up for is vram. So even if two 7870's were faster than a single R9 290X, you would max out your vram much sooner. The larger the monitor the faster that happens as the settings get cranked up.

7870's in x-f should still give good performance for BF4 - 35 or so fps. I know that isn't fast enough for many people.
Also, adding a second card is certainly much less hassle than trying to sell one to help pay for a better one.
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One thing neither crossfire nor sli can make up for is vram. So even if two 7870's were faster than a single R9 290X, you would max out your vram much sooner. The larger the monitor the faster that happens as the settings get cranked up.

7870's in x-f should still give good performance for BF4 - 35 or so fps. I know that isn't fast enough for many people.
Also, adding a second card is certainly much less hassle than trying to sell one to help pay for a better one.

At 1080p, how much VRAM do you think a game like BF4 would require?

Is there a way to monitor VRAM usage on AMD cards? The several tools I've used in the past have never been able to pick up that kind of information.
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At 1080p, how much VRAM do you think a game like BF4 would require?

Is there a way to monitor VRAM usage on AMD cards? The several tools I've used in the past have never been able to pick up that kind of information.


According to Guru3D:

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/battlefield_4_vga_graphics_performance_benchmark,11.html Approximately 1.5 Gb.

Have you tried running GPU-Z and set (under sensors tab) the memory to record max useage? Then just play for awhile and you'll know.

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According to Guru3D:

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/battlefield_4_vga_graphics_performance_benchmark,11.html Approximately 1.5 Gb.

Have you tried running GPU-Z and set (under sensors tab) the memory to record max useage? Then just play for awhile and you'll know.

Cheers thumb.gif

Cool, in that case I think 7870's in crossfire will be perfect for me, at least for the time being.

I hadn't tried GPU-Z, I'll give that a shot. Thanks very much!
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