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Hey guys and gals,

I am a new member to the OCN forums. I am in the process of putting together my first computer build in several years. My last computer was an Intel core 2 duo E6600 build and now it is time to put a new build together. I have been searching for the right components to build myself a respectable computer system. There are several area of this build that I am struggling with and could use some help with. At the end of the build I would like to keep myself right at $3000 or under. However, if I must, I can dig deep for a little bit more change to reach my goals.

There are two portions to this list. I have my general computer hardware and my cooling solutions:

General Computer Hardware
Here is the current list of components that I have organized, including my thoughts on the items:
Nothing is set in stone, this build will most likely be purchased within a month, but only when I finalize what I need to get.
Cost - $2100 before motherboard, memmory, and power supply.

Processor-
Intel i7 4770k

Cost- $280 Microcenter

I feel that this processor gives me the opportunity to future proof myself (8 threads, socket 1150 and the mobos can come with pci express 3.0). I was originally going to aim for an AMD processor, however, with APUs in their infancy and FX Processors phasing out I did not feel comfortable building an enthusiast rig on one of their platforms. Oh well… Intel wins for now! Also, from what I have read it appears that the next generation of processors will be backwards compatible with socket 1150.

Graphics-
AMD R9 290x

Cost- $550 Newegg

AMD’s mantle and cost are intriguing and I really believe that AMD has an opportunity to hit a homerun this time around.

Motherboard-
Unkown

Cost-?

I have been struggling to choose out a new motherboard, for me, there does not appear to be any decisive winner in this market. I would like to get help with this portion from the wealth of knowledge here at OCN. To start I would like to be able to overclock easily. I only partially dabbled into overclocking on my last Intel machine so I would like this to be as smooth as possible this time around. I would also like the opportunity to upgrade my computer to 2-way crossfire and I have no intention of expanding beyond a dual-graphics system. I also want to build a computer that is water cooling capable so I need a motherboard that will support water cooling across a processor and graphics card.

Memory-
Unkown

Cost-?

Another part that I am not experienced with and I would like some assistance with. 16 gb of (1600-1866-2000-2133-2400) This is just confusing, how much is the difference in speed going to matter. Is this something that can just be overclocked on my own?

Power Supply-
Unkown

Cost-?

I would like to get something platinum 80 certified, modular, cost effective.

Computer Case-
NZXT H630

Cost- $150 Amazon

I like the fact that this case is large, designed with the option to be water cooling capable, and it looks slick and yeah.

Monitor-
BENQ XL Series 2420TE

Cost- $330.00 Amazon (each)

I would like to start with two of these monitors. These look like great monitors, I am planning on playing all types of games (fps, rpgs, rts, mmo, etc) and the 120 Hz and flicker free features sound great.

Optical Drive-
LG Black 12X BD-Rom 16x DVD-Rom (UH12NS30 – OEM
)
Cost- $48 Amazon

This is just to have an optical drive for the computer.

Hard Drives-
500 GB Samsung EVO SSD - primary

Cost- $340 Amazon

Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 1TB 7200 RPM - storage
Cost- $61 Amazon

I am going with the 500 GB EVO because I would like to install my games and operating system onto a solid state drive. I have been reading peoples thoughts about the EVO and it seems that most comments agree that it would be difficult to see the difference in performance while playing games compared to better / more expensive hard drives. The Seagate Barracuda is my storage drive, I do not see any reason to put the money into a 10k rpm hard drive.

Operating System-
Windows 8

Cost- $100

The laptop that I am currently using runs Windows 8 and I have become comfortable with it.

Miscellaneous-
It has been a long time since I have put a computer together this is the section for random parts that I have clearly forgotten.





Computer Cooling-
Cost- Estimated $600 with tubing/fittings/fans

I want to do a water cooling loop because I know that if I intend on doing any overclocking of the gpu and processor I am going to need some cooling to dissipate the heat that my picks generate. Also, I love small projects and it is something that I know I can handle.

Is it a good idea to start with a cooling kit?
When I put this list together my original thoughts for a water cooling kit included:
Cost- $450 (before addition of remaining fittings, fans, tubing)

XSPC Raystorm RX 360 750 ml
Cost - $300.0 Frozen CPU

EKWB R9 290x water block and its backplate
Cost - ~~$150.00 Frozen CPU

or
Then after researching a little bit I took an attempt to put together a few core pieces:
I do understand that by doing this I am going to increase my costs for the build. I would like to know if going this route makes sense for the build that I am putting together.
Cost - $466 (before addition of all fittings, fans, tubing)

Radiator-
Alphacool NexXxoS Monsta Tripple 120mm

Cost- $120 Frozen CPU

I saw a chart somewhere and it seemed like the Alphacool Monsta was the radiator to beat. I figured I would start there with the watercooling.

Pump-
Swiftech MCP655-B

Cost- $90 Frozen CPU

D5 pump.. Is this the best way to go?

Reservoir-
Bitspower Water Tank Z-Multi Inline Reservoir (BP-WTZM250P-BK)

Cost- $43 Frozen CPU

I am not sure what the important differences are between Pump/Reservoir combos and Bay and Tube Reservoirs.

CPU Block
XSPC Raystorm High Performance Acetal CPU Liquid Cooling Block – Intel (Sockets LGA 115x.1366/2011)

Cost- $63 Frozen CPU

This has good ratings on FrozenCPU.

Graphics Block-
EKWB R9 290x water block and its back plate

Cost- ~~$150 Frozen CPU

Putting a water block will be necessary for the 290x reference graphics card

It would be neat to build a computer with the Acrylic Tubing or something that would allow me to install clean lines into the water cooling loop. This is not a must and could be something I do in the future. I would like some guidance into selecting tubing, fittings, and fans. Also, it would be nice to have something built into the loop to make it easy to drain.


I know that I am missing stuff for this build and I will add more information as I go. This is just a start to get my thought process flowing.


Thanks so much,

Grimwarr
    
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimwarr View Post

Hey guys and gals,

Intel i7 4770k [/B]
Cost- $280 Microcenter

I feel that this processor gives me the opportunity to future proof myself

Technology is constantly improving therefore their is no such thing as "futureproofing". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FK4ip08auGg
but the CPU is still good.

If you don't mind going all out on the motherboard the Asus Sabertooth Z87 is a good choice.

Memory, there is little difference between a 1866 and 2400 this explains the difference - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWgzA2C61z4

For PSU the Corsair AX760i is a good power supply with platinum rating you don't need any more than 760W anyway even that is slightly overkill.

DVD drive you could get the ASUS DRW-24B5ST its faster and energy saving.

Can't comment on watercooling as I haven't watercooled as of yet.
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Originally Posted by M2NSLI View Post

Technology is constantly improving therefore their is no such thing as "futureproofing". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FK4ip08auGg
but the CPU is still good.

If you don't mind going all out on the motherboard the Asus Sabertooth Z87 is a good choice.

Memory, there is little difference between a 1866 and 2400 this explains the difference - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWgzA2C61z4

For PSU the Corsair AX760i is a good power supply with platinum rating you don't need any more than 760W anyway even that is slightly overkill.

DVD drive you could get the ASUS DRW-24B5ST its faster and energy saving.

Can't comment on watercooling as I haven't watercooled as of yet.

Thanks M2nSLI,

I will take the future proofing comment under advisement. wink.gif I probably should have said something to the effect that the 1150 socket is associated with z87 motherboards and I want to have two pci express 3.0 sockets with at least 2 of the sockets at 8x for sli with amd's new non-bridge crossfire (AMD hasn't done much for this yet). Everything that i read on the "Asus Sabertooth" is that they are great motherboards but they are not intended for overclocking. I would need a bit more convincing to set the sabertooth as a motherboard of choice.

Thanks for the video on the memory, That made selecting memory a lot less complicated.

On the PSU, will 760 W be enough to handle SLI / Crossfire of overclocked GPUs and processor?

On the DVD drive, In my current build i have selected a BD-ROM drive. Is it a better idea to go with a DVD drive and avoid blu-ray all together? Would i notice the energy savings and speeds if i used them side by side?
    
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Speeds you would notice energy savings not so much. It is best to have a seperate drive on for Blu ray and one for DVD/CD and 760W is more than enough.

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If you only have one video 550 watts is enough

If you want two you dont need more then 750 watts

Just dont get a Corsair AX760i that one is a waste of money

The normal AX760 is not worth it either when you look at the Cooler Master V is the same PSU and its cheaper

The XFX Black Edition is also the same PSU and can also be found cheaper
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If you only have one video 550 watts is enough

If you want two you dont need more then 750 watts

Just dont get a Corsair AX760i that one is a waste of money

The normal AX760 is not worth it either when you look at the Cooler Master V is the same PSU and its cheaper

The XFX Black Edition is also the same PSU and can also be found cheaper

I would like to get an 80 platinum power supply and the ones you shared are gold. If the corsair was on sale and the same price as the xfx and the cooler master would it be worth purchasing?
    
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I would like to get an 80 platinum power supply and the ones you shared are gold. If the corsair was on sale and the same price as the xfx and the cooler master would it be worth purchasing?

Platinum is not that much better then gold you wont save a lot

Also the Cooler Master V is platinum its just rated as gold

Both the Seasonic X and Platinum as well as the XFX Black Edition the Corsair AX760/860 and the Cooler Master V are based on the Seasonic KM3 platform

I would take the V any day far less coil whine then any of the others
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If you don't mind going all in for a motherboard, I'd suggest an ASUS Maximus board. Pricey, but by all means, 'enthusiast' thumb.gif
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If you're going with a $3000 build, go with the X89 chipset. There is no point in spending that much cash for a Z87 build.
Edited by Vlad7692 - 10/30/13 at 6:16pm
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If you're going with a $3000 build, go with the X89 chipset. There is no point in spending that much cash for a Z87 build.

There is no X89 you mean X79 right?
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