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[EETimes] Intel Makes 14nm ARM for Altera

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Altera's deal in June to use Intel's 14 nm FinFET process took an interesting twist when the FPGA designer announced today it will pack ARM's 64-bit cores into its chips. That means Intel will fabricate starting in 2014 high-end Altera Stratix 10 parts that use four ARM Cortex-A53 cores.

Seems smart. FPGAs are usually the first parts to be made on a new node. This way Intel is taking business from the other fabs, while not allowing products they directly compete against to share their node advantage.
 
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Gotta keep the fabs busy, since most of Intel's fab are under-utilized.
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Originally Posted by mdatmo View Post

This way Intel is taking business from the other fabs, while not allowing products they directly compete against to share their node advantage.

Server chips are Intel's market.
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If intel is on process N, then why don't they just open up process N-1 to ARM SoC makers. I feel like they should swallow their pride instead of missing an opportunity - ARM will have the vast majority of the phone/tablet market for years to come.
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If intel is on process N, then why don't they just open up process N-1 to ARM SoC makers. I feel like they should swallow their pride instead of missing an opportunity - ARM will have the vast majority of the phone/tablet market for years to come.

Except 14nm is that Process N, next year's Airmont(silvermont successor) products will be competing with ARM v8 across the broad and 14nm 3D Finfet would be a huge advantage against the second best fab tech avaliable : 20nm TSMC 2D HKMG. By allowing ARM access to 14nm Finfet, Intel is giving up their fab advantage in the ARM vs Atom competition on Android devices(they would still own the x86 tablet space).

If it is just limited to A53 products then this move makes sense, since Intel currently don't have an Atom design that competes with A53 class(successor to current A7) product in performance/watt. But if A57/Cyclone/Krait 500 level Armv8 chips gets made on 14nm Finfet they will be a serious hindrance to Intel chips on high end Android Phone/Tablets. As long as Intel keep the production to A53 level products only, this should only mean more profit for Intel.
Edited by sherlock - 10/30/13 at 5:38pm
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If intel is on process N, then why don't they just open up process N-1 to ARM SoC makers. I feel like they should swallow their pride instead of missing an opportunity - ARM will have the vast majority of the phone/tablet market for years to come.

Intel itself is trying to enter the phone/tablet business and this would let ARM gain an advantage. Might be wrong but Intel process N-1 (22 nm) is better than TSMC/GloFo current process node (28 nm)
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If intel is on process N, then why don't they just open up process N-1 to ARM SoC makers. I feel like they should swallow their pride instead of missing an opportunity - ARM will have the vast majority of the phone/tablet market for years to come.
They use it for chipsets and other components.
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Yes intel selling arm chips in their (infineon's) basebands. Ironic, isn't it?
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They use it for chipsets and other components.
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The cortex A57 SoC will be between 30-50% faster than a cortex A15 SoC with same power consumption and an integrated LTE baseband, so no issues there. Atom won't gain any major marketshare in the short term, so why not make some extra dough making someone else's chip.
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Except 14nm is that Process N, next year's Airmont(silvermont successor) products will be competing with ARM v8 across the broad and 14nm 3D Finfet would be a huge advantage against the second best fab tech avaliable : 20nm TSMC 2D HKMG. By allowing ARM access to 14nm Finfet, Intel is giving up their fab advantage in the ARM vs Atom competition on Android devices(they would still own the x86 tablet space).

If it is just limited to A53 products then this move makes sense, since Intel currently don't have an Atom design that competes with A53 class(successor to current A7) product in performance/watt. But if A57/Cyclone/Krait 500 level Armv8 chips gets made on 14nm Finfet they will be a serious hindrance to Intel chips on high end Android Phone/Tablets. As long as Intel keep the production to A53 level products only, this should only mean more profit for Intel.
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Sorry Intel this venture will be limited against ARM. ARM's experience in this field provides them the greater advantage. NM size isn't everything, the smaller race doesn't always produce the best yields. ARM's ability to render graphics would trounce Intel's too. Who'd want a phone that could last 24 hours but couldn't watch movies or run games?
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