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i know. but i would not recommend a 2GB at this time or in the future at this price. no, when cards with 3GB are available and are similarly priced. why gimped it. i know BF4 will use more than 2GB for sure.

$200 for a 2GB card. no more.

I just showed you i ran bf4 at 200% scaling without running out of V-ram on 2gb, so i don't know what your point is. headscratch.gif. I had this argument before with someone, and my response also applies to the 280X and 7970, their 3gb is a waste...
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I would like to know your source that 2GB of VRAM will be enough for next-gen games?
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First of all, it's common sense... Let me break it down for you. If 2gb is enough for the games that are currently out, and some that are revealed, but not yet out. The only games that are not confirmed are games in the "future".

So how will you know that 2gb will be enough for those games?

First you think of what games in the "future" would be like, and looking at PC gaming history, you know they will be more graphically demanding than what we have right now. So if right now we have Bf4 running at 74 fps avg on the 2gb 770 at Max Settings, BF6 ("maybe" in 2000 and whatever) will likely run at 35 fps on a single 2gb 770, and require more than 2gb.

35 fps is practially unplayable for a game like that, so what do you do to get Bf6 to run at 74 fps like Bf4 did? You TURN DOWN AA SETTINGS, and what does turning down AA settings equal? It equals lower V-ram Usage. BAM! tongue.gif

So to summarize everything: IN FUTURE, THE 770 WILL NOT BE POWERFUL ENOUGH, AND YOU WILL TURN DOWN AA SETTINGS TO RUN GAMES AT PLAYABLE FPS. LOWER AA SETTINGS = LOWER V-RAM USAGE, WHICH = 2GB BEING SUFFICIENT FOR FUTURE GAMES.

Yet again, proving the point that you will most likely RUN OUT OF PROCESSING POWER BEFORE YOU RUN OUT OF V-RAM. thumb.gif.

Edited by Yungbenny911 - 10/31/13 at 12:44am
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I just showed you i ran bf4 at 200% scaling without running out of V-ram on 2gb, so i don't know what your point is. headscratch.gif. I had this argument before with someone, and my response also applies to the 280X and 7970, their 3gb is a waste...

$200 for a 2GB. wink.gif
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The argument about VRAM won't send you anywhere with those guys. Most of the time those whom justify the low VRAM amount are Nvidia fbs, or people who already have 2 GB GTX 770s, 670s or 680s wink.gif. Same thing happened 3 years ago with GTX 470, 570, 480, 580, and they turned out to be wrong.
My GTX 470 suffers from huge VRAM bottlenecks in some of todays games even on playable settings. I see also most of them spread nonsense such as the games are unplayable at below 60 fps to defend their points.
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That's what i think:
Nvidia? -GTX 780 is the only worthwhile purchase ,starting at 500$ and beating R9 290X when OC'ed both.
AMD? -every other situation
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The extra 1gb on the 280X is practically a waste, it would run out of Processing power before it get's to utilize 3gb. Especially on the resolution you would be playing at which is 1080p.

This is a bs myth for many graphics cards and needs to die, stop spreading it. A 280x and a 770 are easily capable of using more than 2GB of VRAM whilst maintaining playable framerate so 3GB is not a waste at all. If you get a 770 buy a 4GB one because it can use more than 2GB. What is more of a waste is the money spent on a high-end expensive 2GB card in 2013 (I get the feeling this applies to you and that is why you are trying to defend your buying choice so badly).

I'll give you an example, people said the exact same thing about my 570 when I was asking about that; "It can't make use of more than 1.25GB vram without running out of processing power anyways". Well it's funny how people using them on Battlefield 4 can get around 40fps on ultra but then the game crashes due to its VRAM being exceeded isn't it. For many cards this "running out of power before using up its vram" is not true and the GTX770 2GB is another example of that. It's true in some cases but not all so stop going on about it like it's some hard and fast rule that applies to every graphics card.

Also ignore people that say "a 4GB 770 is a waste because it can't make use of it" because while it won't use up to 4GB it can still use over 2GB comfortably. I don't know about you but I'd rather have the extra vram if a game needs say 2.1GB instead of my game running like crap or crashing because I'm 0.1GB short of video memory.

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The argument about VRAM won't send you anywhere with those guys. Most of the time those whom justify the low VRAM amount are Nvidia fbs, or people who already have 2 GB GTX 770s, 670s or 680s wink.gif. Same thing happened 3 years ago with GTX 470, 570, 480, 580, and they turned out to be wrong.
My GTX 470 suffers from huge VRAM bottlenecks in some of todays games even on playable settings. I see also most of them spread nonsense such as the games are unplayable at below 60 fps to defend their points.

exactly
Edited by smaudioz - 10/31/13 at 5:58am
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if you live near a microcenter, i just saw this deal posted.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1438512/microcenter-evga-gtx-770-4gb-acx-319-99-6-shipping
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if you live near a microcenter, i just saw this deal posted.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1438512/microcenter-evga-gtx-770-4gb-acx-319-99-6-shipping
Wowww I wish we had that up in Canada! awesome deal!
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This is a bs myth for many graphics cards and needs to die, stop spreading it. A 280x and a 770 are easily capable of using more than 2GB of VRAM whilst maintaining playable framerate so 3GB is not a waste at all. If you get a 770 buy a 4GB one because it can use more than 2GB. What is more of a waste is the money spent on a high-end expensive 2GB card in 2013 (I get the feeling this applies to you and that is why you are trying to defend your buying choice so badly).

I'll give you an example, people said the exact same thing about my 570 when I was asking about that; "It can't make use of more than 1.25GB vram without running out of processing power anyways". Well it's funny how people using them on Battlefield 4 can get around 40fps on ultra but then the game crashes due to its VRAM being exceeded isn't it. For many cards this "running out of power before using up its vram" is not true and the GTX770 2GB is another example of that. It's true in some cases but not all so stop going on about it like it's some hard and fast rule that applies to every graphics card.

Also ignore people that say "a 4GB 770 is a waste because it can't make use of it" because while it won't use up to 4GB it can still use over 2GB comfortably. I don't know about you but I'd rather have the extra vram if a game needs say 2.1GB instead of my game running like crap or crashing because I'm 0.1GB short of video memory.
exactly

You have a very strong opinion, so arguing with you would be a waste of time. I am not "defending" my purchase, i'm simply educating you, and i have posted MULTIPLE proofs to show that i'm fine with 2gb V-ram even at extreme resolutions.

For Christ's sake, I SHOWED BF4 AT 4K RESOLUTION! THE OP WOULD BE PLAYING AT 1080P. What is up with you guys?

I had an EVGA 570 @ 900Mhz, and i would gladly say, my GPU ran out of RAW processing power before it ran out of V-ram. What you call playable is NOT PLAYABLE to me and a lot of people. I have a 120Hz monitor, and IMO, 60FPS is the minimum i can play a first person shooter game at. 40FPS on a 570 may be fine for you, but that would make me sick lol.

I'll rather turn off AA tottally so i can play competitively at about 55-70FPS, than have AA on and play at 30-45 FPS. IMO, 40FPS = running out of RAW processing power. If your GPU can't render a game past 60 fps avg at max settings, it's running out of RAW processing power.
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You have a very strong opinion, so arguing with you would be a waste of time. I am not "defending" my purchase, i'm simply educating you, and i have posted MULTIPLE proofs to show that i'm fine with 2gb V-ram even at extreme resolutions.

For Christ's sake, I SHOWED BF4 AT 4K RESOLUTION! THE OP WOULD BE PLAYING AT 1080P. What is up with you guys?

I had an EVGA 570 @ 900Mhz, and i would gladly say, my GPU ran out of RAW processing power before it ran out of V-ram. What you call playable is NOT PLAYABLE to me and a lot of people. I have a 120Hz monitor, and IMO, 60FPS is the minimum i can play a first person shooter game at. 40FPS on a 570 may be fine for you, but that would make me sick lol.

I'll rather turn off AA tottally so i can play competitively at about 55-70FPS, than have AA on and play at 30-45 FPS. IMO, 40FPS = running out of RAW processing power. If your GPU can't render a game past 60 fps avg at max settings, it's running out of RAW processing power.

In your opinion as you say, I personally would not describe running at under 60fps as running out of power or "unplayable". It works both ways, what you would call unplayable IS playable to a lot of people. And at least with a card with more memory you could still run at that sub-60 fps at ultra settings without getting stuttering caused by a lack of vram should that happen. Not everybody is more concerned with keeping a 60fps minimum framerate than anything else. I'd say if you ran out of vram while still at around 40fps or up your card is being vram bottlenecked.

Playable vs unplayable is very subjective though and depends on the persons standards. If you are not used to always having above 60fps then below that is acceptable and completely playable for you. If you are used to always being above that it is going to bother you when you drop below by a noticable amount. As somebody who plays the Arma series, I am well used to seeing framerates go below 60fps lol.

And btw I'd love for 2GB to be enough for the next few years because then I could go and buy that 770 lightning wubsmiley.gif
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