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post #9611 of 16490
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Originally Posted by robirobi View Post

Well, I don't think I would flash it with a 3rd party bios anyway. wink.gif
Why not? If you flash it correctly, and you know how to properly overclock a card, you end up with greater performance than you could have otherwise on the stock bios.

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Originally Posted by Jodiuh View Post

^Wise man. thumb.gif

I've had zero issues with ANY of the BIOS'es that @skyn3t has released. But then again, I've only ever used them on EVGA cards, who knows, maybe the smaller vendors like MSI and Gigabyte really do just make cards that don't perform as well. I'm not one that can say from personal usage aside from the fact that every single Gigabyte 780Ti we TRIED to use in client builds in my store has had to be replaced with cards that were at least stable at their factory clocks.
post #9612 of 16490
Let me get real and clear here.

Yes, I got into a nasty situation with EVGA over a 560 Ti. It took me over 3 months to finally get a full refund. I do not remember the manager that I spoke to at length for HOURS who told me it was my Corsair AX750 or my RAM timings.

Flash forward to the 780 ACX and it artifacts in Tomb Raider. The technician I spoke with told me that it was normal. Someone in this forum suggested I replace the TIM. When I removed the HSF, you could see that the TIM was too lite and did not cover the die. I replaced it and boom goes the dynamite. I finished TR with zero crashes. But I was still concerned that perhaps this may have affected the GPU.


My 780 RMA from EVGA was handled by Jacob, then Chris. I received a FULL REFUND 3 months later. I was emailed every step of the way. Both of them were incredibly fast and polite. I simply cannot emphasize how AWESOME an experience it was!

I hate to admit this, but I was a bit of a sissy man just a short while back about the ACX. I face my buddy has one and has no issues with it. In reality, it was not so bad. I was simply hyper focusing on the issue instead of the big picture.

Both of my EVGA and Asus cards had zero coil whine. The Asus was flashed to Sky and back with no issues other than an inability for the official Asus BIOS utility to recognize the card.

The MSI whines. It makes me think something is less than ideal for this to happen to so many MSIs. Then we have the different BIOS clock speed snafus. Finally toss in the "void if removed sticker" on one of the four screws needed for the removal of the IHS.

The TF4 is fantastic. But that is its only saving grace. How much is an aftermarket cooler? Some of you do water anyway.

Thankfully I cannot hear the whine when gaming. Also, thanks to someone on here, it is stable @ 1210 again.

Am I happy? Not really. I feel like I dissed EVGA and also feel horrible knowing someone listened to my FAKENESS instead of the INTELLIGENCE from those much much wiser: sky & occam

I hope this clears some things up and am VERY sorry for the damage I have done in the past. I ASSURE you that I have read the OCN TOS and will NEVER be overtly negative towards anyone or any company.

Also, I am typing this on my phone right now because my computer just put itself into S3. I do not have it set on a timer to do this.

I do not use AV, have a non legit OS running, and made more than a few enemies @ shacknews and hardforum today. To the point that I received messages suggesting I off myself, haha! Hardforum decided to go hostile on me for posting deals i
on the new HTC M7 (free on April 1st w/ a 2 year contract and tbe $100 MIR for the new M8 deals. I called them out and was banned due to being unhappy with the forum, lol. smile.gif

I will never frequent those sites again. OCN is my new home. My REAL home. Hence the new avatar.

I have been having issues with this board (The Hero), but what are the chances someone got into my network and put my PC into S3 as a statement? Again, I was just using the PC and it went to sleep. It came back and is on now. Passwords for certain sites have already been changed.

I am obviously paranoid at the moment, but in a good way. The plug has been pulled and will not be plugged back in until I hose down the machine and ensure it is 100% legal.

Further, I am going to be selling my PC as I have recently lost interest in gaming. It is less fun than kicking the soccer ball around in my complex, helping a noobie out through PMs with OC'n on the Ti, and especially less fun than giving my mother $ so she can afford new glasses. Basically, I get more enjoyment out of helping folks than playing games. I honestly feel guilty gaming when I could be doing more thoughts and impressions on the HTC One M8 so that at least one of u can read something and think...hmmm...that is actually a deal breaker for me...or yes, I NEED that feature.

So that is where I am headed as well as community college to take a Cisco course and socialize with people smarter than me.

This is sooooo OT, but I wanted you guys to know where I'm at and what I can do for OCN, ie PT focus on looking for people with problems and helping them as nicely and cooly as possible.

I hope this clears the air for some of you.

PEACE AND HAPPY THOUGHTS!

EDIT: Correct grammar is challenging on a phone. smile.gif
Edited by Jodiuh - 4/4/14 at 11:44pm
post #9613 of 16490
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Originally Posted by Jodiuh View Post

^Wise man. thumb.gif

You can usually achieve better results by applying minor tweaks to the stock BIOS, and even then in most cases BIOS editing won't get you anything that you couldn't achieve with Precision-X.
post #9614 of 16490
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Originally Posted by Jimhans1 View Post

Why not? If you flash it correctly, and you know how to properly overclock a card, you end up with greater performance than you could have otherwise on the stock bios.

That is not in any way guaranteed. I found I got more out of my EVGA 780Ti with a bit of undervolting than I did with the BIOSes on the first page.
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Originally Posted by Jimhans1 View Post

I've had zero issues with ANY of the BIOS'es that @skyn3t has released. But then again, I've only ever used them on EVGA cards, who knows, maybe the smaller vendors like MSI and Gigabyte really do just make cards that don't perform as well. I'm not one that can say from personal usage aside from the fact that every single Gigabyte 780Ti we TRIED to use in client builds in my store has had to be replaced with cards that were at least stable at their factory clocks.

What tools and method did you use to test stability? There can be subtle differences between cards and BIOS-es. One obvious example is memory timings. Some cards might come with tighter RAM and MCH timings initialized by the BIOS, which will make them a little faster at stock clocks but will make them destabilize very quickly if you start overclocking them. Also, not everything is initialized by the BIOS - some low-level strapping is done using resistors (potential dividers), which means that a different BIOS with different assumptions may not be stable even if all the clocks are the same.
post #9615 of 16490
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Originally Posted by Jodiuh View Post

Let me get real and clear here.

Yes, I got into a nasty situation with EVGA over a 560 Ti. It took me over 3 months to finally get a full refund. I do not remember the manager that I spoke to at length for HOURS who told me it was my Corsair AX750 or my RAM timings.

This is where tools like OCCT are really useful, along with some others that test things even more strenuously.
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Originally Posted by Jodiuh View Post

Flash forward to the 780 ACX and it artifacts in Tomb Raider. The technician I spoke with told me that it was normal. Someone in this forum suggested I replace the TIM. When I removed the HSF, you could see that the TIM was too lite and did not cover the die. I replaced it and boom goes the dynamite. I finished TR with zero crashes. But I was still concerned that perhaps this may have affected the GPU.

It may or may not have shortened the ASIC life. Depending on the length of the warranty the manufacturer offers, that may or may not be a big deal.
The nice thing about EVGA is that they don't put warranty seals on the HSF screws, so removing the HSF doesn't automatically void your warranty. Personally, I always replace the TIM with AS5, just to make sure it was applied properly. Having said that, I never noticed a statistically significant difference in temperatures from it.
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Originally Posted by Jodiuh View Post

My 780 RMA from EVGA was handled by Jacob, then Chris. I received a FULL REFUND 3 months later. I was emailed every step of the way. Both of them were incredibly fast and polite. I simply cannot emphasize how AWESOME an experience it was!

Refund vs. replacement? Really?

I hate to admit this, but I was a bit of a sissy man just a short while back about the ACX. I face my buddy has one and has no issues with it. In reality, it was not so bad. I was simply hyper focusing on the issue instead of the big picture.
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Originally Posted by Jodiuh View Post

Both of my EVGA and Asus cards had zero coil whine. The Asus was flashed to Sky and back with no issues other than an inability for the official Asus BIOS utility to recognize the card.

This can be fixed. There are 10 bytes worth of data used for card identification:
Manufacturer ID, usually in at least 2 places
Device ID, hard-strapped with potential dividers, and potentially also soft-strapped on top in the BIOS
Subsystem ID (4 bytes)

If you run nvflash -a, you'll see a string of 8 bytes identifying the card. The first 4 are usually the same on the same model of card, regardless of the manufacturer. The other 4 are usually different. The chances are the Asus utility looks at those other 4 bytes of ID. There is no reason why you couldn't edit the BIOS to adjust these so the Asus utility recognizes it (albeit if you made any other changes to the BIOS, some of the assumptions the utility makes, if any, may no longer be correct).
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Originally Posted by Jodiuh View Post

The MSI whines. It makes me think something is less than ideal for this to happen to so many MSIs. Then we have the different BIOS clock speed snafus. Finally toss in the "void if removed sticker" on one of the four screws needed for the removal of the IHS.

This is, indeed, one of the reason why it'll be a long time before I consider using anything but EVGA cards.
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Originally Posted by Jodiuh View Post

I hope this clears some things up and am VERY sorry for the damage I have done in the past. I ASSURE you that I have read the OCN TOS and will NEVER be overtly negative towards anyone or any company.

On the flipside of that, it is important to share customer service experiences, and do so objectively. Unfortunately, too many people don't do their research on companies' customer service reports until they have a problem themselves, by which point it is too late.
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Originally Posted by Jodiuh View Post

So that is where I am headed as well as community college to take a Cisco course and socialize with people smarter than me.

As somebody once told me: "If you're the smartest guy in the room - you're in the wrong room."
post #9616 of 16490
You lost me about 74.5% of the way through up until about 84.7%, but I got the jist of you jive pal. thumb.gif

tl;dr: bad cop gotta cop eventually!

1. EVGA only
2. Modded BIOS ain't the 2nd coming
3. DO NOT BE COMPETITIVE WHEN YOU GAME
4. HELP OTHERS AND ASK WHAT THEY NEED WHEN YOU GAME
5. BE STRONG AND LIFT UP OTHERS SO THEY CAN DO THE SAME FOR THOSE OF US THAT HAVE BEEN HURT

THAT is how you game! GAME LIKE THAT FROM NOW ON! FROM NOW ON, THAT IS HOW YOU GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good luck OCN GAMERS! WEAR THE TAG PROUDLY KNOWING THAT YOU ARE THE BEST OF THE BEST! For me, I need to cut games out so I can give RL a shot. You can only beat Super Mario Brothers 300 times, right?

Cheers,

Jod tongue.gif

PS. I'll be keeping the HTC One M8 and at least be active in that area on OCN.
post #9617 of 16490
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Originally Posted by Jimhans1 View Post

Why not? If you flash it correctly, and you know how to properly overclock a card, you end up with greater performance than you could have otherwise on the stock bios.
I don't want to buy the slowest GTX 780 Ti on the planet but I want a stable system as well which chops through huge chunks of kernels. bike.gif
post #9618 of 16490
Here's the reason NOT to by ASUS Direct CUII GTX780ti's

10 Minutes of Heaven Benchmark, check out the VRM temps (At the hottest point):
Date , GPU Core Clock [MHz] , GPU Memory Clock [MHz] , GPU Temperature [°C] , VRM Temperature [°C] ,
2014-04-05 22:23:47 , 1084.5 , 1749.6 , 73.0 , 99 ,
2014-04-05 22:23:48 , 1084.5 , 1749.6 , 73.0 , 99 ,
2014-04-05 22:23:49 , 1084.5 , 1749.6 , 72.0 , 99 ,
2014-04-05 22:23:50 , 1071.0 , 1749.6 , 72.0 , 100 ,
2014-04-05 22:23:51 , 1084.5 , 1749.6 , 73.0 , 99 ,
2014-04-05 22:23:52 , 1071.0 , 1749.6 , 72.0 , 100 ,
2014-04-05 22:23:53 , 1084.5 , 1749.6 , 73.0 , 100 ,
2014-04-05 22:23:54 , 1084.5 , 1749.6 , 72.0 , 100 ,
2014-04-05 22:23:55 , 1084.5 , 1749.6 , 72.0 , 99 ,
2014-04-05 22:23:56 , 1084.5 , 1749.6 , 72.0 , 99 ,
2014-04-05 22:23:57 , 1084.5 , 1749.6 , 72.0 , 99 ,
2014-04-05 22:23:58 , 1084.5 , 1749.6 , 72.0 , 100 ,
2014-04-05 22:23:59 , 1084.5 , 1749.6 , 73.0 , 100 ,
2014-04-05 22:24:00 , 1084.5 , 1749.6 , 73.0 , 100 ,
2014-04-05 22:24:01 , 1084.5 , 1749.6 , 72.0 , 99 ,
2014-04-05 22:24:02 , 1084.5 , 1749.6 , 72.0 , 100 ,

Then it was a steady 100c till I quit Heaven..

I've never seen temps like this on the VRM's, and its not just my card, reviewers have been point it out too..

Kinda concerned I'm gonna cook the VRM's here, I remember ASUS being much better than this (Had 2 ASUS GTX670's)

Guru3d's review pointed out a 6c GPU temp difference between the senors 70c reading and the 76c thermal image.
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asus_directcu_geforce_gtx_780_ti_oc_review,9.html

The one thing I have noticed is that the card only starts to sing when the VRM's get really hot.
When I first start Heaven there is no noise from the card, after 10 minutes and the VRM's are hitting 100c you start to hear a buzz/whine, then when you quit heaven at the exit screen you'll get a whine.
If you quit before they get hot you don't get it.
Edited by schoolofmonkey - 4/5/14 at 7:30am
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My asus dcuII has no buzz no whine runs perfect but the vrm issue is there. Well it might not be an issue but it sure is too hot for my taste. When gaming bf4 card will be at 65 degrees and vrm at 95. If I do benches they get to 100 like schoolofmonkey's card. How much would a side fan on the case lower the temps? Not planning on watercooling if anyone is going to suggest that.
    
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I've lodged a ticket with ASUS, I'm interested in what they have to say about the temps.

With the buzz/whine noise I really have to have my head near the card to hear it over everything else, but I could bet in a silent room with a silent PC you'd hear it.
When I had side off my case the VRM's hit 102c, with it on they never go over 100c.
I have a 200mm fan blowing directly on the card, so I guess that's helping.

Oh and I'm directly under a split system air con set at 23c..
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