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8,1 Such improve. So amaze. Wow
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Alright let's go through this then step by step:

1. Most people YOU know doesn't equate to most people. There is PLENTY of market research showing PC sales are on the decline, whether you and your friends are the case or not is irrelevant. It's a fact. End of story. And just to drive that point home:
http://allthingsd.com/20131009/back-to-school-season-disappoints-as-q3-pc-sales-decline-again/
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/09/us-technology-pc-sales-idUSBRE99817Y20131009
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304520704579125783245878574
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10000872396390444657804578048981461803220

And from 2012
http://www.slashgear.com/pc-sales-to-decline-in-2012-for-the-first-time-in-11-years-10251339/
http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/2301715
http://www.forbes.com/sites/quickerbettertech/2012/10/15/the-secret-behind-declining-pc-sales/

2. I've used an iPad 2 since launch day. Battery life is still just as good, and still does what I need it to absolutely fine. Your point on it needing to be replaced soon is garbage. People CHOOSE to replace, they don't NEED to replace it at all.
3. Yes I know and understand about the timeline differences between them, though it doesn't change any of my points.
4. People do hate change. It's a normal fact of life. The death of the newspaper, people hated it that weren't early adopters. They beginning of the internet, people hated it because they weren't used to it. The launch of the tablet? PLEASE. Every reviewer, website, and individual took a giant collective dump on it saying it would never take off. How about the advent of the touch style smartphone (a la iPhone)? People all jumped on the hate wagon for whatever reason they could find. How about the movement away from the CD ROM and floppy drive? Tech elite were furious about it at first. Reviews of products without CD drives blasted them for it, yet still it was the right move in the progression of technology. I could go on, stuff like the advent of the LCD monitor with people complaining about poor refresh rates, ghosting, etc. Fact is all of these changes brought about massive ****storms from the entrenched users until they finally started trying it out and getting over themselves. Sure in a few of the issues I cited there were hardware improvements required, but it still left the entrenched BLIND to the potential.


1. Yes, my real life experiences have much more credibility than statistics from a website that studies how many Walmart crap PCs were sold in 2012. I am talking about people buying REAL PCs made by someone not on an assembly line and putting good quality, name brand parts, with full warranties. You are still ignoring the biggest point that I mentioned... PCs last longer. People have no need to buy a new one if the one they have will still go online and play their Facebook games. In a way I am agreeing with you but disagreeing... sales are down for Dell and the like but 'custom' builds are up.

2. You are going to compare having a device for a couple years compared to desktop systems that are regularly still running a decade after purchase? You've lost all credibility with me. I can't even tell you how many phones I have had die on me in the past 5 years... tablets are constructed basically the same way.

3. It changes everything, you didn't read. I gave reasons why different OS did better/worse. It was by no means a complete list of reasons but some good common ones.

4. Many people do hate change but only for a small amount of time, otherwise the electronics industry would have died years ago. There are many more people who run out and buy every new gadget under the sun. Your argument is weak.
Edited by tout - 11/8/13 at 10:35am
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1. Yes, my real life experiences have much more credibility than statistics from a website that studies how many Walmart crap PCs were sold in 2012. I am talking about people buying REAL PCs made by someone not on an assembly line and putting good quality, name brand parts, with full warranties. You are still ignoring the biggest point that I mentioned... PCs last longer. People have no need to buy a new one if the one they have will still go online and play their Facebook games. In a way I am agreeing with you but disagreeing... sales are down for Dell and the like but 'custom' builds are up.

2. You are going to compare having a device for a couple years compared to desktop systems that are regularly still running a decade after purchase? You've lost all credibility with me. I can't even tell you how many phones I have had die on me in the past 5 years... tablets are constructed basically the same way.

3. It changes everything, you didn't read. I gave reasons why different OS did better/worse. It was by no means a complete list of reasons but some good common ones.

4. Many people do hate change but only for a small amount of time, otherwise the electronics industry would have died years ago. There are many more people who run out and buy every new gadget under the sun. Your argument is weak.

Hate to break it to you, but nope. Your personal experiences add up to squat always and forever. There's a reason why investors, news sites and just about every statistician/analyst that's given any credibility pays attention to market research. Your idea that people build their own pcs and that it is fueling the pc industry is absolutely laughable. Look at recent sales figures posted by every major component manufacturer, as well as every major pc manufacturer. Hell, if cyberpowerpc and ibuypower were publicly traded and released this information it would follow the same trend. NVIDIA just released earnings saying flat/falling. Meanwhile intel just reported plans to retrofit and change a good deal of the manufacturing lines to mobile socs because demand on the desktop level is stagnating. If you honestly believe that somehow you and your friends represent a accurate sample size of regional (let alone even nationwide or global) purchasing trends, you need to stop drinking the koolaid.

2. A decade for a desktop? Please. Again you're just pulling numbers with no way to back them besides your silly assertions. Try a quick google search for average lifespan of a PC. Tell me what you find. Here's what I found:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2407096,00.asp
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I've read that the life expectancy of a desktop computer is anywhere from three to five to seven years, so bear in mind that opinions vary widely

http://www.brighthub.com/computing/hardware/articles/14363.aspx
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The average life span of a desktop computer is about 3-5 years.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/jan/13/lifespan-laptop-pc-planned-obsolescence
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It's at the outer edge of what is considered the lifespan of a desktop computer (three to five years).

It would seem all of them consider around 5 years to be the max in the sites I've checked (besides that pcmag one). So please, tell me how you arrived at the decade long number?

3. Still doesn't matter to me in the context of what I'm debating.

4. My argument is weak? Yours is based on your own personal assumptions. Mine is based on empirical evidence. Which is weak again? A small amount of time, you're right. It took around a year and a bit for the iPad to be generally heralded as the next great thing, it also took around that for the mass population to welcome the smartphone as envisioned by apple. It took much longer for the other points I cited earlier. Actually now that I look at it, your fourth point is only supporting me.
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LOL half those are probably BF4 players.

Got a 15-25 FPS boost swithing from win7 to win8.1.

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You have to scroll over/click start/scroll up/click shortcut

Which requires less than half an inch of mouse movement, and no movement from me other than the fingers on my right hand.
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OR you could pin to the taskbar and click once for 25 most common.

I don't like programs pinned to the taskbar, I use the taskbar for other things.
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For other things Like Computer management or system Properties You have to scroll over/click start/click control panel/click administrative tool/click computer management/click disk management ie click through a bunch of menus.

I don't have to click to open sub menus, hovering over them works fine, and I have the delay of this set to zero, so it's instananeous.
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Win Key+X for Admin Menu most common.

You could hit Win Key+R and type diskmgmt.msc and hit enter.

I'm very familiar with these key combinations, and I frequently use Win+R, if happen to have a hand closer to my keyboard than my mouse.
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Win Key+R type in name of snap-in/program will dust the start menu in execution times

Nothing "dusts" the start menu in execution times unless you are quibbling over a handful of ms. There are no delays anywhere in my Start menu. As fast as I can move a cursor attached to a 3600dpi mouse at 1-1 pixel/dpi ratio (meaning 1.1 inches of movement on my mouse pad will take me across both 1920x1200 displays), polled at 1000Hz, and depress a switch with a 1mm travel, is how fast my Start menu is.

By the time I take my left hand off my coffee mug to reach for my keyboard, my right hand has had time to open any program on my system with a few finger twitches.
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Which requires less than half an inch of mouse movement, and no movement from me other than the fingers on my right hand.
I don't like programs pinned to the taskbar, I use the taskbar for other things.
I don't have to click to open sub menus, hovering over them works fine, and I have the delay of this set to zero, so it's instananeous.
I'm very familiar with these key combinations, and I frequently use Win+R, if happen to have a hand closer to my keyboard than my mouse.
Nothing "dusts" the start menu in execution times unless you are quibbling over a handful of ms. There are no delays anywhere in my Start menu. As fast as I can move a cursor attached to a 3600dpi mouse at 1-1 pixel/dpi ratio (meaning 1.1 inches of movement on my mouse pad will take me across both 1920x1200 displays), polled at 1000Hz, and depress a switch with a 1mm travel, is how fast my Start menu is.

By the time I take my left hand off my coffee mug to reach for my keyboard, my right hand has had time to open any program on my system with a few finger twitches.

Let's Race! I will wipe the floor with you using Win Key+R!
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Let's Race! I will wipe the floor with you using Win Key+R!

Perhaps, perhaps not, but how is your speed with Win+R remotely relevant to what I can do?

I never claimed the Start Menu was superior to Windows keyboard shortcuts. I implied that there were situations were I was just as fast with the start menu as I was with keyboard shortcuts, which is 100% true, as well as pointing out some false assumptions (such as the click requirement for navigating the start menu) you were making.
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Let's Race! I will wipe the floor with you using Win Key+R!

Your either a keyboard person or mouse person neither will convince the other of the superiority.
 
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Hate to break it to you, but nope. Your personal experiences add up to squat always and forever. There's a reason why investors, news sites and just about every statistician/analyst that's given any credibility pays attention to market research. Your idea that people build their own pcs and that it is fueling the pc industry is absolutely laughable. Look at recent sales figures posted by every major component manufacturer, as well as every major pc manufacturer. Hell, if cyberpowerpc and ibuypower were publicly traded and released this information it would follow the same trend. NVIDIA just released earnings saying flat/falling. Meanwhile intel just reported plans to retrofit and change a good deal of the manufacturing lines to mobile socs because demand on the desktop level is stagnating. If you honestly believe that somehow you and your friends represent a accurate sample size of regional (let alone even nationwide or global) purchasing trends, you need to stop drinking the koolaid.

2. A decade for a desktop? Please. Again you're just pulling numbers with no way to back them besides your silly assertions. Try a quick google search for average lifespan of a PC. Tell me what you find. Here's what I found:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2407096,00.asp
http://www.brighthub.com/computing/hardware/articles/14363.aspx
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/jan/13/lifespan-laptop-pc-planned-obsolescence
It would seem all of them consider around 5 years to be the max in the sites I've checked (besides that pcmag one). So please, tell me how you arrived at the decade long number?

3. Still doesn't matter to me in the context of what I'm debating.

4. My argument is weak? Yours is based on your own personal assumptions. Mine is based on empirical evidence. Which is weak again? A small amount of time, you're right. It took around a year and a bit for the iPad to be generally heralded as the next great thing, it also took around that for the mass population to welcome the smartphone as envisioned by apple. It took much longer for the other points I cited earlier. Actually now that I look at it, your fourth point is only supporting me.

1. I told you I agree while disagreeing with you... desktops last longer so people do not have to replace them as quick. Sales are down on parts and vendor PCs... easy to figure out. Not everyone wants a PC to game with, in fact, most people don't game with PCs unless it's on Facebook.

2. first two articles tell you that you should upgrade in that time frame, not that the desktops die. The last one is for laptops and basically says the same thing. Useless and has nothing to do with what I was saying. Good try though.

3. ??? lol

4. At least you are understanding me somewhat, lol. My personal experiences are not assumption but rather facts. It is that way in my neck of the woods, lol. Your empirical evidence was showing me nothing of what I was talking about. I already know you should upgrade after 5 years or so however most people don't.

More people I come into contact with over the past 3 years are wanting to build/buy a desktop PC. They own laptops/tablets/smart phones but are losing interest in those gadgets and wanting some real power. You keep avoiding and trying to devalue my assertions that desktop PCs last longer... don't die... as fast as mobile devices. I have brought in a stack of laptops this year and last that have broken screens, dead hard drives, spilled cereal that fried the system, etc, etc meanwhile my dad has my old PC from 1999 that he uses to surf the web with. My media PC in the living room is built from parts I bought at least 6 years ago, running Windows 7 and playing high definition movies just fine on a dual core AMD 6000+ CPU with a nVidia 8800 GTS GPU. I brought in a quite a few PCs with Windows XP that people are still using for OS repairs... how long has that been out again? Heat kills components and stuff gets hot inside laptops and tablets.

Avoid the truth all you want but these are the reasons why PC sales are down, it's not because people don't want them, it's they don't need them.

On topic, I still find it sad that they are trying to compare Windows 8.1 to Windows 8 adoption rate as if it is some showing that Windows 8 is doing well in sales/market share.
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