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post #11 of 21
Tomv9,

The point I am making, is that more often than not, machines that are built to have the option of upgrade-ability, are never upgraded, because when the time comes for the upgrade, doing so is questionably beneficial within the confines of the other hardware in the system. Furthermore, when if that times comes to consider the GPU crossfire/SLI solution, there will almost always be a smarter single-card solution at that time. It's a conflicting issue we watch people struggle with over and over again here on the forums. Spending 150-$200+ on a MOBO because it offers "future" upgrade options, only to realize in the future that those upgrade paths that the fancy motherboard offers really aren't particularly ideal at that time anyway.

I'm not saying that you *should* build an ITX system, I'm saying that you *could* and likely suffer no real consequences in the grand scheme of things if done well. When evaluating hardware decisions, dollars spent on future-proofing are the most likely to be wasted. Dollars spent on quality parts (regardless of performance) are worth it, and dollars spent to achieve desirable aesthetics should not be frowned on either.

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post #12 of 21
This build is best:

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813142002&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwordsCA&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwordsCA-_-pla-_-Embedded+Solutions-_-N82E16813142002&ef_id=Um1bAwAAANuil4Lt:20131104061038:s

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161438

All under $600

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post #13 of 21
Thread Starter 
Thanks, what you are saying makes a lot of sense and I appreciate your willingness to explain all of this to me and it really has changed my mind on a few things smile.gif
post #14 of 21
nothing brilliant but there are a few parts you will like for your build
PCPartPicker part list

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($119.99 @ NCIX)
Motherboard: Asus M5A97 R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($98.75 @ Vuugo)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($70.33 @ Amazon Canada)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.50 @ Vuugo)
Video Card: HIS Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card ($169.99 @ Memory Express)
Case: Antec GX700 ATX Mid Tower Case ($19.99 @ Canada Computers)
Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer 620W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($49.99 @ Canada Computers)
Base Total: $603.54
Mail-in Rebates: -$10.00
Total: $593.54

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post #15 of 21
Thread Starter 
Nice thanks, will probably do something like that but I'll probs try and squish in a 7950, do you think that it would be worth it to get windows 8 OEM or just get it free *if you know what I mean* because some say that if you get it for free it stops working after a while. thumb.gif
post #16 of 21
Well, whatever you want I guess. It's much easier going the OEM way, but yeah. Your choice, "but I don't condone piracy".
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post #17 of 21
Swarms of games are going linux "native" and Nvidia and AMD are both pushing linux drivers to get caught up to the mainstream at breakneck speed. Steam is really pioneering a major push and move to bring linux into the mainstream gaming front. ( http://store.steampowered.com/browse/linux/ )

Depending on the "type" of gamer. linux is quickly becoming a legally free alternative to windows that really can be installed and used by "weekend warrior computer nerds." Granted you won't be playing the latest console/windows games on launch day, but there are more games on linux already than one could thoroughly explore in a lifetime with more added daily. If the linux native games aren't enough, windows games often work in wine, or in most cases eventually "will" work in wine.

Linux Mint Mate 15 w/Kernel 3.8.32 is working nicely for me as of late on both my sig rig and on a fresh new APU Richland build for my Wife.

I encourage those who are looking for a "free" OS to consider giving linux a try. There's not much to loose but some experimentation time. Linux provides an unusually "clean" feeling computing experience once you settle into it. The downside is a learning curve to get there that is not as friendly as the mainstream OS's. (It's easy to break linux if you get to poking around a lot while learning it). The trick is to setup a few partitions that can all be used as "/" for different installs, and a large partition for the storage of actual files/media/backup etc so that when you break an install you can just re-install to a different partition to start over again and learn from the mistake without loosing any content/media that's been created. A linux re-install is actually pretty fast and painless from a decent speed USB flash stick.
     
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post #18 of 21
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Yeah, I have an old PC that I pieced together that's running Ubuntu 12.04 (not sure exactly what version). It's pretty cool, don't know hoe to work it very well though haha! But my friend has windows as a must in the pc because he isn't really a computer wiz and he would like to play games ASAP when they come out. Thanks for the insight though!
post #19 of 21
Hopefully SteamOS will change the view of Linux by the masses :-)

But until then, you can get Windows 7 (which I recommend) or Win8.1 on fire sale deals from NewEgg from time to time. Keep an eye on the Shell Shockers and sign up for the email list.
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post #20 of 21
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Originally Posted by Tarun View Post

nothing brilliant but there are a few parts you will like for your build
PCPartPicker part list

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($119.99 @ NCIX)
Motherboard: Asus M5A97 R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($98.75 @ Vuugo)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($70.33 @ Amazon Canada)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.50 @ Vuugo)
Video Card: HIS Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card ($169.99 @ Memory Express)
Case: Antec GX700 ATX Mid Tower Case ($19.99 @ Canada Computers)
Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer 620W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($49.99 @ Canada Computers)
Base Total: $603.54
Mail-in Rebates: -$10.00
Total: $593.54

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I second this as a 6300 build for you, good stuff. I am in a smiliar situation, but I am going the 760k ($77 US) with fm2+ board and going to use the slight savings to put into the graphics card. Being in Canada, I am not sure if a 760k would make sense. Goodluck with the build.
    
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