Probably best not to overclock builds for other people unless they are specifically interested in taking part in the overclocking process, and would be able to repeat it if for any reason they had to reset the BIOS.
~$300+ CPU+GPU options:
The i7-4770/4771 3.4/3.5GHZ is typically ~$300. Quad-core haswell with hypther-threading and HD4600. If you want to go this route on ITX with wifi/bluetooth enabled, you probably want to use this combo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1465503
($30 off with motherboard)
The E3-1245 V3 1150
3.4GHZ is $280, Quad-core haswell with hyper-threading and HD4600
These chips are interchangeable with the i7's for most peoples needs and work on the same mainstream motherboards (check CPU compatibility list for assurance). The i7 variant does not support ECC memory but has some more "media" related features enabled for the HD4600. (3D output, wireless monitors support, etc). In your application, the E3 with iGPU will appear
more professional (The Xeon name has been around a long time and is marketed towards professionals for workstation and server class machines, while anything "iSomething" comes across as a toy for a 16 year old). Cost to implement is similar when "deals" that are typically available for the i7 series are considered.
The E3-1230 V3 1150
3.3GHZ is $245-255, quad core hyperthreaded no iGPU, and can be paired with an inexpensive discrete GPU resulting in a potential improvement in GPU related task performance and some potential improvement in CPU performance since the CPU and GPU will not be sharing the same system RAM. The $55 HD6570's are similar to HD4600 integrated chips. An AMD APU, AMD discrete, or Nvidia discrete solution will come with mature and finely tuned graphics drivers and a nice continuous stream of driver-support and improvement over the life of the computer. Intel doesn't specialize in GPU side stuff, so their drivers will likely never be as robust, or as flexible, or as effective as those from AMD and Nvidia. $90 gets an HD7750 in here, which is ~2-3X the performance of the haswell integrated stuff. Keep in mind that lots of software is moving towards parallel computing optimization via OpenCL. If this machine is going to be "in it" for the long haul, then GPU performance may become more and more useful as the machine ages. The cost to implement the "discrete E3 haswell + HD7750" is really not much higher than the cost of the i7-4770, but I believe there is a lot of potential to be gained going that route.
The E3-1230 V2 1155
3.3GHZ is ~$200-245, quad core hyperthreaded no iGPU, and while this is the older Ivy bridge on socket 1155, there is very little performance difference to haswell on the CPU side. if you decide to go discrete on the GPU, then I think it's worth considering the savings. It's also worth noting that your motherboard options for Ivy bridge are going to come with more of an established track record, BIOS updates already on-board, revisions already taken care of to weed out problems, etc. This chip combined with a discrete GPU is more price competitive than the V3 edition when stacked against the i7-haswell options. This CPU combined with a very nice HD7750 will cost about the same to implement as an i7-4770K if done on this board: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128567
~$200 CPU+GPU options:
i5-Haswell -Advantage for an ITX build: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1465487
($300 for board w/wifi/BT+CPU+GPU).
Not a bad option in this combo above here. The i5 can not scale out to the raw parallel computing of the hyperthreaded E3/i7 or AMD FX-8XXX chips, but in this combo the haswell with the respectable HD4600 stands out as being an acceptable compromise.
The FX-8320+discrete has sort of already been nixed if you want to go small form factor here, but I feel it's important to point out that there seems to be a misunderstanding about this chips performance going on here. While it is not as efficient as intel counterparts, and does not have the single threaded performance of the intel counterparts, it can in fact scale out to parallel compute throughput performance that is very similar to an i7 or hyper-threaded E3. Realistically speaking, for any single thread of a load on a CPU, any modern CPU is more than fast enough except in some limited real-time applications (poorly optimized real-time software). Proof can be found in laptops, which are routinely called upon to run professional heavy duty creativity and editing software, but run chips that are often 30-50% slower in single threaded performance than desktop counterparts. They still run all modern office and creativity/design software just "fine."
the problems is, all the other web pages and data it uses. this specific PC is normally used remotely and has around 10 different programs/ web pages/ and applications working. the web pages isn't a "surfing" type thing, they are web based applications that they need to use in the office to build up the data they need, which in turn alamode uses. that's the best i can explain it because the people doing it don't know all the in's and outs. i would assume HTT isn't "needed" but i guess it couldn't hurt either. i would like to build a PC that a little bit more future proof if it's possible.
The points you made here really do point to being able to take advantage of the AMD architecture without really being effected by the compute related disadvantages (unfortunately, AM3+ must be built on an ATX board). Considering the very parallel use
of the machine a hyperthreaded quad from intel or a quad-module (FX-8XXX series) from AMD combined with a discrete GPU (to leave all available system RAM and RAM IO to these dozen or so running "apps") really does make some sense here for that "long haul" of usable performance. Granted it will be overkill for now, but build it with quality components and keep windows from puking on itself and either of these directions should last a long time. In the ~$200+ price bracket, the FX8320+discrete GPU will perform better in your application than an i5-haswell, and will actually offer the opportunity to nip at the performance of the "$300+" bracket we already went over above.
~$100+ CPU+GPU options:
Consider this combo for an AMD ITX build: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1465517
This is the "deal to beat" in many ways. Truthfully speaking this combo with the flagship Richland chip on a well made ITX board with wifi/bluetooth is apt to be able to do everything the machine needs to do quite well.
The i3-haswell on the giga-wifi-1150 board (same as in combos above) would cost slightly more to implement than the Richland chip combo, but is certainly a viable alternative in this price class. I think the APU represents a slightly better value at this time considering the intended use (the APU can scale out to handle more parallel workloads slightly better) but overall the APU and i3-haswell options should both be considered.
Best of luck in your continued quest here.
EricEdited by mdocod - 11/8/13 at 12:11am