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I'd love to see Intel make affordable 6 and 8 cores in their mainstream Z## boards offerings, with more PCI lanes being at least 16x/16x/16x, while anything more are reserved for the X## boards....Something that will put pressure on AMD to step up their game in the future competition....
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Id buy it if it were $1200 or less.
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How about Intel starts showing the none extreme line some love, and get us away from 4 cores?

How disconnected is this guy?

"Hey, want to buy a $2500 12 core Extreme?"

All the while completely ignoring the fact that we still have 4 cores at over $300 outside of Socket 2011. I am going to laugh my ass off when Mantle hits and allows games to really properly utilize multiple cores, and the FX 8000 series starts putting a serious beat-down on Intel's 7 series.
    
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except the titan actually offers great performance in the consumer realm. this, not so much

The Titan was a terrible value in the consumer realm, just like a 12-core unlocked Ivy-E would. Both would still offer great performance in consumer use, unless you think a 4GHz+ Ivy-E is somehow slow.

A Titan was how much faster than a 780? For how much more?

A 12-core unlocked Ivy-E would be nearly twice as fast as a 4930k or 4960x, for about 4x the cost of the former, and 2.5x the cost of the later. +85% performance for +300% the cost is a larger relative increase in performance per dollar than +10% performance for +60% cost.
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How about Intel starts showing the none extreme line some love, and get us away from 4 cores?

How disconnected is this guy?

"Hey, want to buy a $2500 12 core Extreme?"

All the while completely ignoring the fact that we still have 4 cores at over $300 outside of Socket 2011.

The difference here is that they have 12-core Ivy-E parts now.

A six core Haswell on 1150 would require vastly more effort to release than just leaving the multiplier lock off some 12-core dies and changing what you etch on their IHS.

He's not disconnected. People are willing to pay 300 dollars for their 1150 quad cores.
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I am going to laugh my ass off when Mantle hits and allows games to really properly utilize multiple cores, and the FX 8000 series starts putting a serious beat-down on Intel's 7 series.

I think you'll have to wait a very long time for this, unless by "serious beat-down", you really mean "rough parity".
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i guess the intangible benefits of e-peen are immeasurable? i don't understand what the possible benefit of this could be

For gaming? Very little.

But for "Pro" use, quite a lot. Rendering is very much the more cores, and the faster cores, the better. Distributed computing also would love faster and more cores. Yes, people who do high level render jobs - be it graphics or video - would probably be more after a full up Xeon, but Xeons are locked down tight on clock speeds. So the ability to toss an OC'd 12 core on a SP board actually becomes a better move than an Locked 12 core on the same.

An Overclocked 12 core that could hit the high 4's (Basing this on the existing 2697 being stock at 2.7giggles) would be a beast of a processor for a few years at least, and is therefor a good investment for both the "Pro" and the Gamer that could afford it.
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The Titan was a terrible value in the consumer realm, just like a 12-core unlocked Ivy-E would. Both would still offer great performance in consumer use, unless you think a 4GHz+ Ivy-E is somehow slow.

A Titan was how much faster than a 780? For how much more?

A 12-core unlocked Ivy-E would be nearly twice as fast as a 4930k or 4960x, for about 4x the cost of the former, and 2.5x the cost of the later. +85% performance for +300% the cost is a larger relative increase in performance per dollar than +10% performance for +60% cost.

at least the titan offered better performance and had the advantages of being a single card for.

the ivy-e might technically be faster, but offers basically no benefit for consumer programs and games because such programs/games don't support more than 4 cores. correct?

even if the titan offers poor for cost/benefit ratio, at least it offers *something*
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The Titan was a terrible value in the consumer realm, just like a 12-core unlocked Ivy-E would. Both would still offer great performance in consumer use, unless you think a 4GHz+ Ivy-E is somehow slow.

A Titan was how much faster than a 780? For how much more?

A 12-core unlocked Ivy-E would be nearly twice as fast as a 4930k or 4960x, for about 4x the cost of the former, and 2.5x the cost of the later. +85% performance for +300% the cost is a larger relative increase in performance per dollar than +10% performance for +60% cost.
The difference here is that they have 12-core Ivy-E parts now.

A six core Haswell on 1150 would require vastly more effort to release than just leaving the multiplier lock off some 12-core dies and changing what you etch on their IHS.

He's not disconnected. People are willing to pay 300 dollars for their 1150 quad cores.
I think you'll have to wait a very long time for this, unless by "serious beat-down", you really mean "rough parity".

People are only "willing" to spend $300 on a quad core now, because that is their one realistic option. Very few people are in a position to drop the money on Ivy-E to get a Hexacore processor, $500+ for a processor is just beyond what the majority of people are capable/willing to spend.

As for the beat-down; The FX 8350 already gives the i7's a run for their money in many many games. We are talking a very small margin on frame rates and overall performance. The fact that Mantle is going to allow games to more efficiently utilize system cores, and favor AMD hardware, is going to completely change that.
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I don't think a $2500 12 core is necessarily bad value for money, just even more out of the realm of a normal consumer budget than even the Titan at $1k. Especially considering that CPU power is probably the least needed component for the average user. That said, if you are a big time renderer or whatever and you need 24 threads something like this would be a Godsend at whatever price. Again, I just don't see something like this as very profitable for Intel considering how small the market would likely be. Would still like to see them do it just because more options are always better, but I'd like to see an unlocked 8-core at ~$600 and even an unlocked dual core, 4-thread chip release before something like this....
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I don't think a $2500 12 core is necessarily bad value for money, just even more out of the realm of a normal consumer budget than even the Titan at $1k. Especially considering that CPU power is probably the least needed component for the average user. That said, if you are a big time renderer or whatever and you need 24 threads something like this would be a Godsend at whatever price. Again, I just don't see something like this as very profitable for Intel considering how small the market would likely be. Would still like to see them do it just because more options are always better, but I'd like to see an unlocked 8-core at ~$600 and even an unlocked dual core, 4-thread chip release before something like this....

This would cost Intel next to nothing to make into a reality, as was said before: The cpu already exists, Intel only needs to make it single socket, add it to the compatibility list of X79 or X99 depending on which series would see it implemented. It's basically optimizing a revenue stream Intel didn't fully tap (Pro consumers that didn't go the Xeon route).
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the ivy-e might technically be faster, but offers basically no benefit for consumer programs and games because such programs/games don't support more than 4 cores. correct?

No, not correct.

There are numerous consumer programs that will use almost as many cores as you could conceivably throw at them. Just looking at my recent programs on my laptop (which is a dual core, four thread, i5) I see at least five programs that can take advantage of many more logical cores than I currently have available on my 3930k...namely 7-zip (24 threads), Handbrake (at least 16 threads), PDF Xchange Editor (at least 16 threads), TrueCrypt (32 threads, I believe), and FireFox/Opera/Chrome (which can all run individual tabs on their own threads, and I often have dozens of tabs up). My desktop has even more such programs; all of the former, plus VMware Workstation, various distributed computing projects (F@H, BOINC, etc), scrypt hashers, password crackers, A/V editing tools, etc.

Even if an individual program cannot take advantage of many threads, multi-tasking has been mainstream for a very long time, and it would only take a handful of well-threaded, mainstream, programs to fully saturate a 12-core/24-thread processor. I've gotten used to being able to play a game, record game footage, transcode older game footage, have a variety of media up on a browser, and be transferring files to/from multiple encrypted drives, while testing software in sandboxed VMs, all simultaneously, on my Gulftowns and SB-E. There is much more I would do, if I had the cores available to do so without crippling slow downs.

It is true that most games do not make good use of large numbers of cores, but again, this does not imply that a game is the only program that will be running, or that all consumers are exclusively gamers.
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