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You can't post something that doesn't exist.

There are MANY benchmarks, damn near every one of them, that show AMD just trails Intel in most situations. There isn't some chasm between them in performance, then again there is no point trying to convince someone like yourself. You are so deluded it isn't possible for you to see beyond your own extreme bias.
    
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Exactly why I want a 12 Core Intel So I can make a bunch of Virtual Machines and leave them running. Like Making an Application server to remote, and a media server to remote into.


AMD Close in Performance? Gaming sure, I will admit that. Not in Clock for Clock, core for core though(the only thing that matters).

You could post a bunch of benches, but I will disregard them, so don't waste my time.

AMD CPUs NEVER again. Slow as molasses in a enterprise environment.

That's funny because nearly everything out of gaming effectively multi-threads, making single-threaded performance moot...Especially considering it's an 8 core FX typically against a Quad Core Intel.
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Virtulization doesn't like false cores, or hyper-threading; it favors physical cores. In those situations an FX-8xxx is better than an i7 4c/8t setup.

Hyperthreading usually helps virtualization, especially if the VMs are not fully loaded all the time. Extra logical cores from SMT are not better for virtualization than more physical cores, but this can be said about pretty much anything.

Yes, my FX-8150 (8c/8t @ 4.6GHz) is measurably better than my Xeon W3540 (4c/8t @ 3.6GHz) when it comes to virtualization and might even be better than my 2700k (4c/8t, 4.5GHz), but the FX-8150 falls far behind my 3930k (6c/12t @ 4.4GHz), or even my i7 970 (6c/12t @ 4GHz), when it comes to the number of VMs I can run simultaneously with acceptable performance/responsiveness.

Anyway, what I'm saying is that everything favors physical cores, but that doesn't mean SMT isn't helpful. If Hyperthreading wasn't an asset, I could turn it off and not loose anything, yet when I disable it, I generally lose 10-40% of my performance in multi-threaded apps, and about a third of the VMs I can comfortably run.
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There are MANY benchmarks, damn near every one of them, that show AMD just trails Intel in most situations. There isn't some chasm between them in performance, then again there is no point trying to convince someone like yourself. You are so deluded it isn't possible for you to see beyond your own extreme bias.

Not just my bias. My whole team, we despise AMD together. AMD at the same clock gets left in the dust.
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That's funny because nearly everything out of gaming effectively multi-threads, making single-threaded performance moot...Especially considering it's an 8 core FX typically against a Quad Core Intel.

Sorry but we aren't talking about gaming. I already said AMD is fine for gaming as well.

Single Core performance is very important outside of gaming. Something AMD continues to struggle with.
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Not just my bias. My whole team, we despise AMD together. AMD at the same clock gets left in the dust.

So what? If AMD claimed that the IPC of its architecture was at par with Intel's and sold CPU's with the same number of cores and clock speed at the same price that Intel did, you'd have every reason in the world to shun their products. But AMD doesn't claim anything of the sort. As a matter of fact, it will offer you a CPU with more cores and a higher clock speed at a lower price than comparable Intel products.

Did you despise Intel when they were selling Pentium 4 processors that were clocked 600 MHz higher than AMD's Athlon, and still couldn't keep up with it? Or when the Athlon 64's spanked them so badly that they rushed the Pentium 4 Emergency Edition (aka a rebadged Xeon) out the door a few years later, and it was still slower than the A64?
     
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Sorry but we aren't talking about gaming. I already said AMD is fine for gaming as well.

Single Core performance is very important outside of gaming. Something AMD continues to struggle with.

And I was? Single core performance matters much, much less than multi-threaded code does these days, look at CPU intensive tasks outside of gaming: Encryption, Compression, Rendering, hell even Excel and Photoshop use multiple threads. There's only a few programs of note I can think of that are directly limited to 1 thread, a few games, audio encoding and SuperPi.
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