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^^This. IBT is kinda worthless for a 6 core processor. Test stability quickly with cinebench R15 (free). then move to p95: custom,, 5 min per FFT and 12288 ram if you have 16GB. Use the shorter fft time to stress more of the architecture faster.

Don't get frustrated. it's not hard.. just need to be patient. I'm not pushing Offset OC, but it's what I know and works very easy.

Each chip is different, but the basics are:
reset bios (clrcmos), post
set your boot priorities (disks)
set your ram timings and VDram voltage manually @ kit specs.(no XMP)
sleep states disabled (or auto)
cpu and pcie spreadspectrum disabled (change nothing else)
Now increase multiplier one step at a time until it will post but fails to load windows - this is your base for adding offset and turbo mV (will be like 40-44x for Ivy-E, SB-E and Sandy)


Turbo Auto -> Enabled (you should see "additional Turbo Voltage as a menu option). Some folks leave this on Auto, but then you loose control of the vcore ceiling
CPU LLC -> High (or medium depending on multiplier)
Manual mode OC
bclk = 100
strap = 100
Multiplier to "last value +1" that can post
Vcore to "Offset" and set +5 to +10mV (+0.005V)
Set Add Turbo to +10mV
post (but don't boot to windows yet)
Write down all the applied voltages (vtt and vsa also)
Boot to windows. If it fails, keep adding turbo until it boots to Win.
Run your preferred stability "regimen" add mV to turbo (or offset) as needed to reach your stability needs.


MemOkay simply resets the memory timing to base levels (not the cpu clock) so you can get into bios and fix the settings.

You can see the bsod codes in EventViewer or with this:
bluescreenview.zip 65k .zip file
Edited by Jpmboy - 3/29/14 at 5:04am
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Originally Posted by Jpmboy View Post

^^This. IBT is kinda worthless for a 6 core processor. Test stability quickly with cinebench R15 (free). then move to p95: custom,, 5 min per FFT and 12288 ram if you have 16GB. Use the shorter fft time to stress more of the architecture faster.

Don't get frustrated. it's not hard.. just need to be patient. I'm not pushing Offset OC, but it's what I know and works very easy.

Each chip is different, but the basics are:
reset bios (clrcmos), post
set your boot priorities (disks)
set your ram timings and VDram voltage manually @ kit specs.(no XMP)
sleep states disabled (or auto)
cpu and pcie spreadspectrum disabled (change nothing else)
Now increase multiplier one step at a time until it will post but fails to load windows - this is your base for adding offset and turbo mV (will be like 40-44x for Ivy-E, SB-E and Sandy)

Turbo Auto -> Enabled (you should see "additional Turbo Voltage as a menu option). Some folks leave this on Auto, but then you loose control of the vcore ceiling
CPU LLC -> High (or medium depending on multiplier)
Manual mode OC
bclk = 100
strap = 100
Vcore to "Offset" and set +5 to +10mV (+0.005V)
Set Add Turbo to +10-20mV
post (but don't boot to windows yet)
Write down all the applied voltages (vtt and vsa also)
Boot to windows. If it fails, keep adding turbo until it boots to Win.
Run your preferred stability "regimen" add mV to turbo (or offset) as needed to reach your stability needs.


MemOkay simply resets the memory timing to base levels (not the cpu clock) so you can get into bios and fix the settings.

You can see the bsod codes in EventViewer or with this:
bluescreenview.zip 65k .zip file


Thank you for taking the time to write out that response. I have followed your instructions as closely as I can; we must have different motherboards. I have the p9x79 and there is no turbo offset voltage, only cpu vcore voltage (offset mode) > offset mode sign (+) > voltage amount (.010 is what I set it to)

Also, I don't know how to post and not boot to windows

Lastly, I cannot find the VTT or VSA voltage information I've looked on CPU-Z, HWMonitor, and RealTemp


EDIT1 - after applying those settings and booting (45 multiplier) CPUZ reads 4.5Ghz @ 1.368V (no fluctuation) Should I begin stressing?

Edit2 -- Crashed opening real temp (had CPUZ and HWMonitor, went to open realtemp and it crashed)

Edit3 -- After last crashing it was a restart loop where every time it got to the log on window it would do the whea_uncorrectable crash (bluescreenview reports error 000x124) I tried bumping up vcore offset from .010 to .015 and finally .020 with no ability to boot. I went back into the bios and set the offset back to .010 and reduced the multiplier to 44 at which CPU-Z now reads 4.4Ghz @ 1.360V
Edited by TheSwag - 3/28/14 at 5:13pm
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Originally Posted by TheSwag View Post

Thank you for taking the time to write out that response. I have followed your instructions as closely as I can; we must have different motherboards. I have the p9x79 and there is no turbo offset voltage, only cpu vcore voltage (offset mode) > offset mode sign (+) > voltage amount (.010 is what I set it to)

Also, I don't know how to post and not boot to windows
Lastly, I cannot find the VTT or VSA voltage information I've looked on CPU-Z, HWMonitor, and RealTemp
EDIT1 - after applying those settings and booting (45 multiplier) CPUZ reads 4.5Ghz @ 1.368V (no fluctuation) Should I begin stressing?
Edit2 -- Crashed opening real temp (had CPUZ and HWMonitor, went to open realtemp and it crashed)
Edit3 -- After last crashing it was a restart loop where every time it got to the log on window it would do the whea_uncorrectable crash (bluescreenview reports error 000x124) I tried bumping up vcore offset from .010 to .015 and finally .020 with no ability to boot. I went back into the bios and set the offset back to .010 and reduced the multiplier to 44 at which CPU-Z now reads 4.4Ghz @ 1.360V

see pg 3-23 in your MB manual for "Additional Turbo Voltage". You NEED to enable Turbo Mode (not auto) for this option ... pg 3-22.
You have 1.36 volts at 45x 'cause it is on Auto Turbo...

VTT and VSA will not show in cpuz. IDK HWM. But AID64 wil read it. Best to see this in you bios. (for you... leave on auto for now, just work with vcore, vdram, LLC and memory timings.)

to post and not go to windows at the Asus spalsh screen, spam your F2 key on your keyboard.

try not to run multiple programs reading teh same sensors (like HWM and realtemp) at the same time.

Lastly, here's the link to your manual: http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/LGA2011/P9X79/E8038_P9X79.pdf

press your clrcmos button and start over. seems like you are changing too many variables at once.
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see pg 3-23 in your MB manual for "Additional Turbo Voltage". You NEED to enable Turbo Mode (not auto) for this option ... pg 3-22. You have 1.36 volts at 45x 'cause it is on Auto Turbo...

Okay, now we are getting somewhere. I did have Turbo Mode enabled, but I didnt see the "Additional Turbo Voltage" (found it)
Quote:
VTT and VSA will not show in cpuz. IDK HWM. But AID64 wil read it. Best to see this in you bios. (for you... leave on auto for now, just work with vcore, vdram, LLC and memory timings.)

I am able to read this in the bios and will report back with that data.
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to post and not go to windows at the Asus spalsh screen, spam your F2 key on your keyboard.

I'm a moron and I dont think it through, essentially, I just go back into the bios after it saves and restarts?
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try not to run multiple programs reading teh same sensors (like HWM and realtemp) at the same time.

Good to know, I won't do that in the future.
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I have the manual right here, but I appreciate the link, the information seems to be the same.
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press your clrcmos button and start over. seems like you are changing too many variables at once.

One and Done, I will report back.




So, we know that 1.368V is too high, but I still have no idea what a reasonable amount of voltage is? Should I use (-) offset to lower my voltage?


EDIT -- With the settings you have provided I incrementally set the BIOS up and then booted into Windows. (@ 41x)
CPU VCORE: 1.158
VCCSA: .999 + or - .003 (So, 0.996-1.102)
DRAM- 1.498-1.51
CPU PLL - 1.807-1.81
VTT CPU - 1.110-1.119

Vcore @ 100% CPU Load (Cinebench) @ 4.1Ghz (41x100) is 1.352V
Edited by TheSwag - 3/28/14 at 8:02pm
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Okay, now we are getting somewhere. I did have Turbo Mode enabled, but I didnt see the "Additional Turbo Voltage" (found it)
I am able to read this in the bios and will report back with that data.
I'm a moron and I dont think it through, essentially, I just go back into the bios after it saves and restarts?
Good to know, I won't do that in the future.
I have the manual right here, but I appreciate the link, the information seems to be the same.
One and Done, I will report back.




So, we know that 1.368V is too high, but I still have no idea what a reasonable amount of voltage is? Should I use (-) offset to lower my voltage?


EDIT -- With the settings you have provided I incrementally set the BIOS up and then booted into Windows. (@ 41x)
CPU VCORE: 1.158
VCCSA: .999 + or - .003 (So, 0.996-1.102)
DRAM- 1.498-1.51
CPU PLL - 1.807-1.81
VTT CPU - 1.110-1.119

Vcore @ 100% CPU Load (Cinebench) @ 4.1Ghz (41x100) is 1.352V


What are your offset and turbo voltages in bios? for 41x, set 5mV in offset (0.005V) and 4mV "Additional Turbo Voltage"... should be way under 1.3V vcore under load in windows. If you open cpuZ immediately on loading windows, it will read close to your load vcore.

Yes, you can use negative offset, but that may sometimes crash when idle. are you leaving all other settings on Auto (VSA, VTT, PLL)? If your ram sticks are 1.65V set that manually.. Once you get to 46x, be sure to enable PLL overvoltage. Sleep states auto or off. You really should disable the C1E sleep state.

hard to know what you are using there... fill out rig builder with specifics.

"reasonable voltages"...

4.1GHz - 1.1V or lower
4.5GHz - 1.2V
4.6 - 1.3V

some need less, some need more. My 2 4930Ks were around 1.3V for 46x, 1.4V for 48x. the 4960X I'm currently using is 1.376V@4.8GHz LLC high (10mV offset, 116mV turbo). with LLC very High - 80mV Turbo.

also - in windows, open your power settings in control panel, set min proc state = 0%, max proc state = 100%.
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Well jpmboy I'm just running 4.6 @ 1.35 and I'll try it lower after I know it's not gonna crash. Thanks for the info.

I guess I'm lucky it didn't go south on me. No smoke yet,....lol



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Well jpmboy I'm just running 4.6 @ 1.35 and I'll try it lower after I know it's not gonna crash. Thanks for the info.
I guess I'm lucky it didn't go south on me. No smoke yet,....lol
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You're okay at 1.35V... Intel's spec limit on 49xx chips is 1.4V (but this is OCN, so you will see lots o users run higher than 1.4V vcore thumb.gif); but I think maybe that vcore could work for 47x100. make sure you enable CPU PLL Overvoltage (needed for the boot processes). On the R4BE as Raja has been saying, either set cpu current to like 180, or enable cpu current inertia. Frankly, I have both on Auto and have not had the OCp yet.... *fingers crossed*
Main thing after cpu vcore, is get the ram timings tuned up. Made a major difference for my bench rig.
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So after my OCD kicked in, I was Looking at some Physics and CPU bench scores, and just happened to stumble on the 4930k section, and Holy Crap I could not believe my eyes! A processor scoring the same or higher than my overclocked 780 classy! biggrin.gif, I also love the fact there's no Gpu cores on this monster, too, and 12 Threads Total. I'm so close to pulling the trigger on this, however I Check up on Haswell E later this year and of course the x99 2013 Socket with DDR 4. Anyone have any thoughts if I should go ahead and jump right in, or hold out for the new series? Keep in mind I'd be upgrading from my 8350, so either way would be a super Upgrade! thumb.gif
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What are your offset and turbo voltages in bios? for 41x, set 5mV in offset (0.005V) and 4mV "Additional Turbo Voltage"... should be way under 1.3V vcore under load in windows. If you open cpuZ immediately on loading windows, it will read close to your load vcore.

Yes, you can use negative offset, but that may sometimes crash when idle. are you leaving all other settings on Auto (VSA, VTT, PLL)? If your ram sticks are 1.65V set that manually.. Once you get to 46x, be sure to enable PLL overvoltage. Sleep states auto or off. You really should disable the C1E sleep state.

hard to know what you are using there... fill out rig builder with specifics.

"reasonable voltages"...

4.1GHz - 1.1V or lower
4.5GHz - 1.2V
4.6 - 1.3V

some need less, some need more. My 2 4930Ks were around 1.3V for 46x, 1.4V for 48x. the 4960X I'm currently using is 1.376V@4.8GHz LLC high (10mV offset, 116mV turbo). with LLC very High - 80mV Turbo.

also - in windows, open your power settings in control panel, set min proc state = 0%, max proc state = 100%.


Well, I've been doing a lot of tweaking in the BIOS.

With vcore offset .0050, turbo offset at .0020, and LLC set to normal (the higher I set it the higher my volts are at every multiplier) the highest I could complete a cinebench was 44x reading 1.32-1.328 @ 100% cpu load if I bumped up the initial offset it would be a fairly consistent 1.328 (this is in CPUZ & I have noticed the volts creep up slightly in prime95)

I did eventually try .0050 vcore offset and .0040 turbo offset which passed Cinebench 4/5 times and got a reading of 1.312 in CPUZ (did not test prime)

When I attempted 45x with those settings I got a x101 error; I tried bumping up vcore offset to . 0010 and/or turbo to .0024 which resulted in a whea_uncontrollable x124 error

If I set the LLC to Extreme I could get 45x to work @ 1.432 whilst 100% load (CPUZ) and 1.416 on Ultra high or High LLC. I did attempt bumping up both vcore offset and turbo offset but all it did was raise the volts and you seemed concerned initially running at 1.4+
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Well, I've been doing a lot of tweaking in the BIOS.

With vcore offset .0050, turbo offset at .0020, and LLC set to normal (the higher I set it the higher my volts are at every multiplier) the highest I could complete a cinebench was 44x reading 1.32-1.328 @ 100% cpu load if I bumped up the initial offset it would be a fairly consistent 1.328 (this is in CPUZ & I have noticed the volts creep up slightly in prime95)

I did eventually try .0050 vcore offset and .0040 turbo offset which passed Cinebench 4/5 times and got a reading of 1.312 in CPUZ (did not test prime)

When I attempted 45x with those settings I got a x101 error; I tried bumping up vcore offset to . 0010 and/or turbo to .0024 which resulted in a whea_uncontrollable x124 error

If I set the LLC to Extreme I could get 45x to work @ 1.432 whilst 100% load (CPUZ) and 1.416 on Ultra high or High LLC. I did attempt bumping up both vcore offset and turbo offset but all it did was raise the volts and you seemed concerned initially running at 1.4+

Are your decimal points off? is that 5mV offset and +20mV turbo? Anyway, going from a 101 to 124 can be a sign of progress if no other component is out of tune.

Figure 60mV for each 100MHz (eg, 10mV per core). so if 44x is 1.312V loaded, 45x will be 1.37ish.. If this is true and you can RMA that chip, you may get a better one. Seems like that one is "bottom of the class".

In this first go, you should adjust only vcore, LLC and memory colts/timings. leave all other voltages on auto.

Exactly what ram sticks are you using?

edit: oh yeah, LLC effectively diminishes vdroop so, yes, increasing LLC will increase load vcore. You should set LLC to high for 45x or higher. Medium will work, but will require higher vcore to be set in bios.
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