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Testing Overclocking limits DX58SO and i7-950 with kingston 1333mhz ram.

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Hi,

i bought this mobo and cpu back in 2010 hoping that i can overclock it in the future when there is a need for performance.

i never overclocked them and i have some basic knowledge in overclocking. i read most of the guides and im still confused with few things. maybe i can clear them here.

Mobo: Dx58so with the latest bios.
CPU: i7-950
RAM: kingston value ram 3x2GB KVR1333D3N9H/2G
Cooler: corsair H100i new.
GPU: GTx560 1GB

All i want to is to learn about few things in overclocking.


TASK #1)overclocking RAM:
i dont understand the tuning of this memory overrides as i see so many settings in my bios. can anyone tell me how can overclock them

My target is to overclock ram to 1333mhz and test it if it can reach to 1600Mhz .

RAM's info is here :http://www.kingston.com/dataSheets/KVR1333D3N9H_2G.pdf

Thanks

My current bios settings without overclocking:

POWER tab:
a)Intel dynamic power Technology
1)intel speed step --Disabled
2)CPU c state --Disabled
3)Qpi Power state --Disabled
4)C1E --Disabled

b)System Power options
1)After power failure --stay off
2)Wake on lan from s5 --stay off
3)ACPI suspended state --S1 state
4)Wke system from S5 --disabled
5)PCIe ASPM L1 --Disabled
6)PCIe ASPM L1 --Disabled
Security tab
1)Chassis Intrusion --Disabled
2)Intel VT --Disabled
3)Intel VT for Directed I/0 (vt-d) --Disabled
i)FLR Capability --Disabled
Performance Tab
1)Failsafe watchdog --Enabled
2)Host clock Frequency --135 (stock)
3)Processor overrides
i)Static CPU Voltage override --Default /min:1.0000v and max 1.6000v with a step of 0.0125v
ii)Dynamic CPU voltage offset (mV) -- 0 // other options 0, 6,12,18,....489
iii)CPU Vreg droop Control -- Low V-drrop (performance) //other options include Mid v-drrop, High V-droop
iv)Maximum non turbo multiplier -- 23 //12 to 23
v)CPU idle state --Low power //other option: high performance
vi)Intel turbo boost technology -- Disabled
4)Memory overrides //cureent freq 1086Mhz
i)Memory Correction --Non ECC
ii)Performance memory profile --Manual
//current settings under this tab are
Uncore multiplier : 16
Memory Multiplier: 8
tCL : 7
tRCD:7
tRP:7
tRASmin :19
tRFC: 86
tRRD:4
tWR:8
tWTR:4
tRTP:4
tRC:26
tFAW:16
Memory voltage 1.54
QPI / uncore voltage Override :1.150
Command Rate: Auto
DIM Reference Voltage Training --Automatic // automatic, off, manual
5)Bus Overrides:
i
)QPI Configuration:
IOH Core Voltage Override : 1.100
QPI Data Rate : Auto //4.8 GT, 5.866 gt, 6.4GT
ii)PCI Express COnfiguration
PCI Express bus freq: Default //max of 110mhz
iii)PCI Configuration
PCI BusFreq : 33.33MHZ //this options is disabled by default
PCI Latency Timer :32 //32,64, 96...248
HPET : Enabled
Route SMBUS to PCI :Enabled
post #2 of 9
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Originally Posted by themaskofwraith View Post

i dont understand the tuning of this memory overrides as i see so many settings in my bios. can anyone tell me how can overclock them

Not to be disrespectful. but your question is unanswerable in it's current form. I know what you're asking, but you don't.

Without going into specifics, which there isn't enough space in a post to do (whole books are written on this subject), you need to do some reading about how memory actually works in a computer.

There are many places on the interwebs that discuss this in various degrees of detail. Start reading and post questions about what you don't understand. I'm sure there are many people here (myself included) who will be more than willing to help you.
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Originally Posted by billbartuska View Post

Not to be disrespectful. but your question is unanswerable in it's current form. I know what you're asking, but you don't.

Without going into specifics, which there isn't enough space in a post to do (whole books are written on this subject), you need to do some reading about how memory actually works in a computer.

There are many places on the interwebs that discuss this in various degrees of detail. Start reading and post questions about what you don't understand. I'm sure there are many people here (myself included) who will be more than willing to help you.

thx for the reply.

As you told, yes i need to learn about how the ram works, but cant find any post which explains this values well, still searching.

meanwhile i am able to overclock the ram 1600Mhz with these following settings and i ran prime95 for 5 hours, it was stable. But the FSB ration is 2:12 (not good i guess)

Base clock: 133 (was 135) CPU clock : 23x133=3.07Ghz , turbo boost = off

Ram freq=> 133x12 = 1600mhz

Uncore multiplier : 24
Memory Multiplier: 12
tCL : 9
tRCD:9
tRP:9
tRASmin :24
tRFC: 88
tRRD:5
tWR:12
tWTR:6
tRTP:6
tRC:26
tFAW:16
Memory voltage 1.62
QPI / uncore voltage Override :1.3
Command Rate: Auto
DIM Reference Voltage Training --Automatic // automatic, off, manual

Thx
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Thx for the links.

i have been reading them from past 6hrs.

And i think my current RAM over clock is stable. And do i need fix my FSB:DRAM ratio which is 2:12 ? (current BCLK=133, DRAM freq=800)

Thx
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Overclocking the CPU first, then the RAM will be easier to do rather than the other way around. Messing with the host clock messes with RAM speeds. Just my 2cents.gif
     
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Memory timings are the number of "clock ticks" it takes the memory to complete that step.

That is actually a measure of time (in nSec, nanoseconds). Note that the actual time for memory to complete a step is independent of it's speed, it's a fixed number (ie. it always takes X nanoseconds to complete that CAS step, no matter at what speed the memory is running).

So, if the memory is clocked faster' each "clock tick" takes a shorter time, so you need more clock ticks (higher numerical timing) for the memory to complete that step.

You can calculate the actual "time" of a timing.

Or you can download Thiaphoon Burner and read then from your sticks (in both timing numbers and nanoseconds)
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Overclocking the CPU first, then the RAM will be easier to do rather than the other way around. Messing with the host clock messes with RAM speeds. Just my 2cents.gif

i overclocked my cpu to 3.68Ghz with 160x23 (BCLK x multiplier)

Ram to 1600 mhz with
Uncore multiplier : 24
Memory Multiplier: 12
tCL : 9
tRCD:9
tRP:9
tRASmin :24
tRFC: 88
tRRD:5
tWR:12
tWTR:6
tRTP:6
tRC:26
tFAW:16
Memory voltage 1.62
QPI / uncore voltage Override :1.3

And i benchmarked cpu and ram before and after overclock. these are results.

BEFORE
CPU Mark: 6017.5
Memory Mark: 1554.9

CPU - Integer Math: 13892.0
CPU - Floating Point Math: 4474.0
CPU - Prime Numbers: 24.1
CPU - Extended Instructions (SSE): 17.5
CPU - Compression: 8862.8
CPU - Encryption: 924.9
CPU - Physics: 431.1
CPU - Sorting: 5470.6
CPU - Single Threaded: 1375.9

Memory - Database Operations: 61.5
Memory - Read Cached: 12345.5
Memory - Read Uncached: 7870.6
Memory - Write: 7358.7
Memory - Available RAM: 3914.2
Memory - Latency: 27.4
Memory - Threaded: 16986.7

AFTER OVERCLOCK
CPU Mark: 7017.3
Memory Mark: 1940.9
CPU - Integer Math: 15957.9
CPU - Floating Point Math: 5116.2
CPU - Prime Numbers: 30.3
CPU - Extended Instructions (SSE): 20.9
CPU - Compression: 10118.2
CPU - Encryption: 1059.6
CPU - Physics: 533.5
CPU - Sorting: 6107.1
CPU - Single Threaded: 1567.4
Memory - Database Operations: 80.0
Memory - Read Cached: 14028.2
Memory - Read Uncached: 10226.4
Memory - Write: 10052.4
Memory - Available RAM: 4651.0
Memory - Latency: 21.9
Memory - Threaded: 22969.4

Ran the prime95 for 3hrs and temps max out at 66C .

is it okay to overclock more ?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by themaskofwraith View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by bigkahuna360 View Post

Overclocking the CPU first, then the RAM will be easier to do rather than the other way around. Messing with the host clock messes with RAM speeds. Just my 2cents.gif

i overclocked my cpu to 3.68Ghz with 160x23 (BCLK x multiplier)

Ram to 1600 mhz with
Uncore multiplier : 24
Memory Multiplier: 12
tCL : 9
tRCD:9
tRP:9
tRASmin :24
tRFC: 88
tRRD:5
tWR:12
tWTR:6
tRTP:6
tRC:26
tFAW:16
Memory voltage 1.62
QPI / uncore voltage Override :1.3

And i benchmarked cpu and ram before and after overclock. these are results.

BEFORE
CPU Mark: 6017.5
Memory Mark: 1554.9

CPU - Integer Math: 13892.0
CPU - Floating Point Math: 4474.0
CPU - Prime Numbers: 24.1
CPU - Extended Instructions (SSE): 17.5
CPU - Compression: 8862.8
CPU - Encryption: 924.9
CPU - Physics: 431.1
CPU - Sorting: 5470.6
CPU - Single Threaded: 1375.9

Memory - Database Operations: 61.5
Memory - Read Cached: 12345.5
Memory - Read Uncached: 7870.6
Memory - Write: 7358.7
Memory - Available RAM: 3914.2
Memory - Latency: 27.4
Memory - Threaded: 16986.7

AFTER OVERCLOCK
CPU Mark: 7017.3
Memory Mark: 1940.9
CPU - Integer Math: 15957.9
CPU - Floating Point Math: 5116.2
CPU - Prime Numbers: 30.3
CPU - Extended Instructions (SSE): 20.9
CPU - Compression: 10118.2
CPU - Encryption: 1059.6
CPU - Physics: 533.5
CPU - Sorting: 6107.1
CPU - Single Threaded: 1567.4
Memory - Database Operations: 80.0
Memory - Read Cached: 14028.2
Memory - Read Uncached: 10226.4
Memory - Write: 10052.4
Memory - Available RAM: 4651.0
Memory - Latency: 21.9
Memory - Threaded: 22969.4

Ran the prime95 for 3hrs and temps max out at 66C .

is it okay to overclock more ?

Yes if your voltage is under 1.45v. I overclockers mine to 4.4GHZ @ 1.3v for a 24/7. Make sure you are keeping your temps in check. Also, your RAM voltage seems a bit high. Try working it down some.
     
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