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post #651 of 795
Clock for Clock, R9 290(x) are faster. That's how I am counting performance. OC is a different story that is limited by the cooler on the new cards. Ref cooler sucks on these cards which is the reason I'm not touching them till the non ref designs come out. $400 is an AMAZING price for the 290. AMD messed up by not releasing these with non ref coolers. Linus is biased since he always has NVidia cards in his personal rig but they also LOVED the HD 7790 so I would say they're only slightly (IMO).

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Linus is Nvidia biased but Slick does the testing and I really believe he tries to be as fair as possible. The clock speeds are linked in the video description btw and the 780 is indeed clocked around 50MHz higher which is not nearly enough to really be considered biased IMO. From what I have seen around here and in my own experience the 290X simply is not as fast as Titan at max OC and is somewhere between the 780 and Titan for the most part. It does do very well in 3dmark but falls well behind in the Unigine benches and a lot of actual games. This is still incredible performance for the price and the 290 really takes the cake IMO. Water cooled I'd guess the 290 is faster than the reference 780's and only $400 which makes it a no-brainer of a buy. Just make sure to water cool it or wait for the non-reference stuff....
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Originally Posted by ZealotKi11er View Post

I see 780 Ti getting prices $599.
If that turns out to be true then that will be my card next year tongue.gif
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I'm not going to lie. Now I understand that the Titan is better for CUDA development, but if I had bought Titans at launch I would be mighty miffed about the 780ti being 20% faster. That's just me though. I mean, the GTX 780 OC was forgivable considering that the Titan can overclock pretty well when BIOS modded. But there's no way a Titan is going to catch the 780ti.

OTOH, The Titan was available long before the ti and has 6GB of VRAM. I dunno.
it's still going to be slower no matter how much ram they stuffed into it. tongue.gif
Edited by th3illusiveman - 11/5/13 at 10:15pm
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Anyone know if 290 review compared to 290X with fans on uber, both using beta 8 drivers + clock for clock? thanks.
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Linus channel is Nvidia biased, i watched few of his latest streams, you should see the fire in his eyes, and how he gloated when he talked about Nvdia Shield/G-Sync, like they are god send products and nothing even can or will come close!

Someone so impressed with products from one brand, and someone who clearly stated that they where pissed off because of AMD making them redone the reviews with newest drivers cannot be un -biased period!!!!!

Also in their oc docs, they put GTX780 on 100% fans, and 290/290X on 75, yep no bias whatsoever thumb.gif

last i remember when watching the shield video, he only mentions that's where handheld market was heading for and that the product wasn't for everyone. I was pretty skeptical on the settings used for the gpus as well, which is why I think their future tests will do better, because they are going to adopt the "average overclock" levels on HWBot as that is much more realistic in average real life overclock than having to rely on stock boosts and/or uneven overclocking as HWBot clocks are user sent which represent a group of real users who gave out their clocks.
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So, why the links from all the reviews posted in this tread, all still not in the first post?
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Originally Posted by psyside View Post

Anyone know if 290 review compared to 290X with fans on uber, both using beta 8 drivers + clock for clock? thanks.

Someone did a comparison, but I can't remember which site it was. There was about a 5-10% difference between them that way.

Edit: Hardware Canucks ran their tests with the 290X in Uber mode as well as Quiet. Apparently 290 doesn't have an Uber mode.
Edited by Forceman - 11/5/13 at 10:13pm
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Someone did a comparison, but I can't remember which site it was. There was about a 5-10% difference between them that way.

Ah i wonder that review that was, ill try Google, thanks.
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Ah i wonder that review that was, ill try Google, thanks.

Check out Hardware Canucks. They tested in Uber mode. Strange that some sites say the 290 has an Uber mode (like Guru3D) and some say it doesn't (like Hardware Canucks and [H]).

Edit: Ah, mystery solved. It does have an Uber mode, but it's the same as the normal mode:
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Moving on, AMD’s dual BIOS functionality is back once more, but unlike the 290X the second BIOS will not be serving any defined purpose. Both BIOSes are identical as AMD doesn’t have an uber mode for the 290, so switching between the two will not change the card’s performance in any way. In this setup the second BIOS is reduced to serving as a safety net for end-user BIOS flashing.
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I don't really care to hear his thoughts on the 290 after the abomination that was his 290X review. I mean, I agree with the negatives he has against the card but the overall slant of the review was just completely biased and really a hit piece to be honest.

....

He hit the GTX 480 pretty hard,
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We can best explain the volume of heat with this small anecdote. When we were trying to get the fan as near to our desired 50% as possible, whilst not causing thermal shutdown, we thought we'd got it nailed at 65%. However the GTX480 puts out so much heat that although it was touch and go when we started testing, within 20 minutes the temperature in the room had increased so much due to the head expelled from the card, that we experienced thermal cutoff because the card had warmed the room up so much the air it was sucking in was too warm to keep it under 110°C.

In SLI we imagine you'll never need to heat your house again, as one of these cards can heat a 15'x15' room by 2°C in half an hour.

The second major problem is noise. This isn't a quiet cooler when idling, but as under load the card needs to be kept around 80% fans it becomes intolerably loud. In these modern times when swathes of companies have demonstrated that cool and quiet need not be mutually exclusive, it is beyond us how nVidia have designed a cooler that it hot and loud. Again we have to stress that this is not a problem with Zotac themselves, rather the nVidia reference design.

Finally there is that price. The thick end of £450 is far too much for such a small performance gain over the significantly cheaper ATI 5870 and especially when the noise and heat is taken into consideration. If this was an ATI, nobody would buy it. We all understand that nVidia comes with a price premium but this is ridiculous.

There is some good though. The underlying chip is so outstanding that under water-cooling, or with the worlds biggest air cooler, it's a must buy. Unfortunately right now, if you're deaf, rich and live in Siberia then do it. Otherwise, wait for the evolution version.

I remember the time, he was very much against the 480 in a few videos. it's not bias. Really his stance is carried through to the 290x and he hit the 480 much harder. Back in those days he was recommending AMD cards a lot. I think his tone upsets some, I see many posting how he's a nvidia fanboy but nvidia have had some nice quiet cards that perform well of late. I would also think the price of the 290 might mean a less critical view. And of course he was called a AMD fanboy when the 5000 and 400 series were out. When really its his own stance on thermals, noise and looks, what you pay for a high end piece.

You could even say his very hard stance on the 480 went along to improve the cooling, I'm not saying it was but Tom was very harsh on it

he could be more professional but there's a thousand out there doing very dull/pleasent reviews and not much critique, he does it his way

AMD really need to improve the cooling, we can all agree. perhaps Tom might ruffle a few feathers and AMD might at long last upgrade their cooler
Edited by routek - 11/5/13 at 10:36pm
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