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Originally Posted by Mad Pistol View Post

You're talking about on-air overclocks on a $1000 graphics card... Oh dear.

Slap a water block on a 290X, and I can guarantee the 290X will outperform the Titan at just a little over half the price. The R9 290 w/ waterblock will probably overclock even further, and since the price is $399 at launch, you add a good waterblock on for $100 (or less) and you're looking at a card that will probably match an overclocked Titan at half the price!

No matter how you swing it, the R9 290 group of cards will probably end up as the performance champs once they have some good cooling on them. It's just icing on the cake that they cost less too. thumb.gif

No I was talking about watercooling OCs. And we've yet to see a 290X beat an OC'd Titan unless the 290X was with tesselation disabled doing black screen benching in 3dm11.

The 290X is around 10% faster than the 290 in the hands of someone who OCs. I dunno why OCNers are actually eating up the graphs in reviews without actually thinking about the results themselves for a bit.

Anand's piece on the new drivers explains why the 290 looks as fast as it does.
 
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But watercooling is more than just a water block.
I'm pulling this off of my head but i think only 10% of PC enthusiasts water cool.
Most would need to buy rad, liquid, res, pump. by then the cost of the 290X watercooled will probably reached the Titan. not to mention the risk of leaking etc.

If Gigabyte pops out a 290/290X card out with their windforce cooler on it I think it will run much better than the blower style. I love the coolers on my MSI 270X's. Q u i e t and cool. thumb.gif
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No... Most benches are putting this pretty much on par with the 290X at stock (at least quiet mode).

Only reason for that is the infernal noise the thing makes. It's the only lately released card that can maintain its max boost speeds all the time. And it does that by being about twice as loud as Nvidias offerings and almost twice as loud as the 290X in silent mode.

In reality the 290X is around 10% faster. This will become pretty apparent when OCNers get the cards. Funnily enough the 290X is almost suffering from the "Titan syndrome" at this point. The lower end card released later at a significantly lower price can clock higher (with Titan it was TDP limit mostly, with 290X it's temps) than the original card making the benches look incredibly favorable to the newer, lower end cards. When in reality the clock for clock difference is definitely there and no one on OCN should think that 780 = Titan or that 290 = 290X.

Heres a handy graph for the infernal noise, for all those curious:

sauce: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-r9-290-review-benchmark,3659-18.html
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Originally Posted by DampMonkey View Post

Heres a handy graph for the infernal noise, for all those curious:

sauce: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

This is the one Alatar is referring to:

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But watercooling is more than just a water block.
I'm pulling this off of my head but i think only 10% of PC enthusiasts water cool.
Most would need to buy rad, liquid, res, pump. by then the cost of the 290X watercooled will probably reached the Titan. not to mention the risk of leaking etc.

Yea, its waaaay less than 10%. Went to a LAN the other with 307 PC gamers, and I was one of 2 people with a custom loop.
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Originally Posted by xoleras View Post

I think the 290 is an awesome card for the price. That fan noise just makes me cringe, though. Man. AMD could have made both the 290 and 290X so much better and without the noise complaints. I have to wonder WTH they were thinking by throwing that 27 cent plastic cooler on there.....

But, the 290 is priced right. Awesome performance for the 400$ price, but man oh man. This card needs aftermarket designs post haste. I just can't get over how AMD could have made both of these 10 out of 10 score GPUs but they will get alot of justified complaints about the noise. I know some people don't care about that, but some do - myself being one that has gotten used to the utter quietness of OC 780 cards. Oh well. I'm so torn on these cards. Love the performance and price. Everything else...eh....
I don't get you guys, sure it would have been nice if they slapped a better cooler on it but for $399 and for a card with those specs what dream world are you living in? Sure they could have put some fancy tin cooler on the thing and made it all flashy but then you could say hello to a nice $100 MSRP price hike. At least this way they bring the cost of the card down so when non-reference design cards roll out they too are cheap.

People who buy reference cooled are usually water cooling them or use some other form of cooling because in general reference cooling sucks and always has, that's why the non reference market is so huge.
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People who buy reference cooled are usually water cooling them or use some other form of cooling because in general reference cooling sucks and always has, that's why the non reference market is so huge.

That didn't stop people form bashing GTX 470/480 4 years ago, and it isn't stopping people bashing R9 290/290X now.
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I don't get you guys, sure it would have been nice if they slapped a better cooler on it but for $399 and for a card with those specs what dream world are you living in? Sure they could have put some fancy tin cooler on the thing and made it all flashy but then you could say hello to a nice $100 MSRP price hike. At least this way they bring the cost of the card down so when non-reference design cards roll out they too are cheap.

People who buy reference cooled are usually water cooling them or use some other form of cooling because in general reference cooling sucks and always has, that's why the non reference market is so huge.

It's like buying a Ferrari that just has primer on it. Sure I can get it painted myself, but why should I have to? AMD is hamstringing their own card in the name of saving a few bucks on a better cooler.
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I'm not doubting that the Titan OC is faster at the moment, I just think that once the smoke clears and people get down to serious overclocking and tweaking that we're going to see the 290X emerge as the king. A decent cooler will do wonders for a good overclock.

As for water cooling, I would assume that the person that is bolting a block onto their 290(X) would already have the rad and fittings in place. It's a lot of work, but that's what has to be done to get max OC out of cards without going to more exotic forms of cooling.
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Guys, do you think we can see temp drops of about 20C on 290, when custom coolers( like Asus DCII, MSI TF-IV) come out?
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