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My current best air cooling setup is my pfSense router Ryuu. Current uptime is 191 days, the CPU is lukewarm to touch (granted, it is under light load, but I built it for fanless operation, not skirting the edge of the thermal envelope,) this is achieved using a Sythe ninja held on with zipties onto a laptop CPU.
Current Issues:
  • Chipset and IGP cooling is stock. Gets toasty.
  • Limited to laptops since powersupply is already fanless.
  • No discrete graphics equiped laptops on hand.
My goal is to build a silent air cooled daily use system that can run Team Fortress 2 on decent settings without running into any thermal issues. I think this will require some creative cooling in order to avoid running fans most of the time (full load of OCCT or prime 95 with furmark running in the background isn't easy to build for,) an inexpensive ($2) AVR microcontroller can handle fan control by taking the mobo's PWM output and apply a new curve to that to control the fans. I want to stick to cooling without pumps since pumps add noise.
 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X4 940 BE @1.2V  Gigabyte MA790X-UD4P SAPPHIRE 6950 non refrence. 8 gb gskill PC-8500 @ 800mhz 4-4-4-10 @ 2.1v 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Seagate 500 GB 7200.12 (near dead) Hiachi Coolspin 2 TB (storage) (near dead) RAID0 2x Westren digital Caviar Blu... OCZ arc 100 240 GB SSD 
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Xiggy dark knight Windows 7 Ultimate x64 23" ASUS VH236H Kinesis advantage  
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XFX TS550 Antec 900 Razer deathadder 
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
T7250 HP GM45 4gb DDR 3 SODIMM 32 GB PS-100 
CoolingOSPower
Cooler Master 212 #! Fanless 90 watt psu 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Turion ML-40 with heatspreader attached HP laptop socket 754 motherboard with RS480M ch... IGP that I don't use 512 mb ddr 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
4 GB patriot USB 2.0 flash drive None, don't need it. Scythe Ninja Mounted with zip ties.  Pfsense 2.0.2 nanobsd 
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gigabit USB NIC Atheros WLAN NIC Many zip ties. 
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Vidarlarth
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X4 940 BE @1.2V  Gigabyte MA790X-UD4P SAPPHIRE 6950 non refrence. 8 gb gskill PC-8500 @ 800mhz 4-4-4-10 @ 2.1v 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Seagate 500 GB 7200.12 (near dead) Hiachi Coolspin 2 TB (storage) (near dead) RAID0 2x Westren digital Caviar Blu... OCZ arc 100 240 GB SSD 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Xiggy dark knight Windows 7 Ultimate x64 23" ASUS VH236H Kinesis advantage  
PowerCaseMouse
XFX TS550 Antec 900 Razer deathadder 
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
T7250 HP GM45 4gb DDR 3 SODIMM 32 GB PS-100 
CoolingOSPower
Cooler Master 212 #! Fanless 90 watt psu 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Turion ML-40 with heatspreader attached HP laptop socket 754 motherboard with RS480M ch... IGP that I don't use 512 mb ddr 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
4 GB patriot USB 2.0 flash drive None, don't need it. Scythe Ninja Mounted with zip ties.  Pfsense 2.0.2 nanobsd 
OtherOtherOther
gigabit USB NIC Atheros WLAN NIC Many zip ties. 
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are you looking for quiet? or are you looking for silent? there are many quiet options, but very few and expensive silent options. are you willing to deal with minimal amount of fan noise? or entirely fanless? are you allowing HDD? or going straight SSD? maybe a compromise in a slow spinning 2.5" laptop HDD?

i guess the question comes down to how much noise are you willing to put up with and what is your budget?
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Target is the noise output of a 2.5" HDD @ 5400 rpm mechanically isolated from the frame. I can sleep with that much noise seeing how my current desktop is built like ryuu but has a 2.5" 5400 rpm drive and is not documented on here yet. The new system needs to be able to stay within the noise envelope of the current desktop a majority of the time. Some active cooling is acceptable, but I want it to stay in the passive part of the curve when running a single thread at max usage. My current desktop is a 65nm core2duo mobile chip that runs hot with a hyper 212+ (with one core maxed out, it is running at 80C,) I think that the fin density is too high.
 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X4 940 BE @1.2V  Gigabyte MA790X-UD4P SAPPHIRE 6950 non refrence. 8 gb gskill PC-8500 @ 800mhz 4-4-4-10 @ 2.1v 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Seagate 500 GB 7200.12 (near dead) Hiachi Coolspin 2 TB (storage) (near dead) RAID0 2x Westren digital Caviar Blu... OCZ arc 100 240 GB SSD 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Xiggy dark knight Windows 7 Ultimate x64 23" ASUS VH236H Kinesis advantage  
PowerCaseMouse
XFX TS550 Antec 900 Razer deathadder 
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
T7250 HP GM45 4gb DDR 3 SODIMM 32 GB PS-100 
CoolingOSPower
Cooler Master 212 #! Fanless 90 watt psu 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Turion ML-40 with heatspreader attached HP laptop socket 754 motherboard with RS480M ch... IGP that I don't use 512 mb ddr 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
4 GB patriot USB 2.0 flash drive None, don't need it. Scythe Ninja Mounted with zip ties.  Pfsense 2.0.2 nanobsd 
OtherOtherOther
gigabit USB NIC Atheros WLAN NIC Many zip ties. 
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Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Seagate 500 GB 7200.12 (near dead) Hiachi Coolspin 2 TB (storage) (near dead) RAID0 2x Westren digital Caviar Blu... OCZ arc 100 240 GB SSD 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Xiggy dark knight Windows 7 Ultimate x64 23" ASUS VH236H Kinesis advantage  
PowerCaseMouse
XFX TS550 Antec 900 Razer deathadder 
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
T7250 HP GM45 4gb DDR 3 SODIMM 32 GB PS-100 
CoolingOSPower
Cooler Master 212 #! Fanless 90 watt psu 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Turion ML-40 with heatspreader attached HP laptop socket 754 motherboard with RS480M ch... IGP that I don't use 512 mb ddr 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
4 GB patriot USB 2.0 flash drive None, don't need it. Scythe Ninja Mounted with zip ties.  Pfsense 2.0.2 nanobsd 
OtherOtherOther
gigabit USB NIC Atheros WLAN NIC Many zip ties. 
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Grab one of these and run it passive:

Aquacomputer Gigant 3360


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Originally Posted by Scorpion667 View Post

Grab one of these and run it passive:

Aquacomputer Gigant 3360


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what i have in mind is similar, but involve 1080 external rad instead. with a phobya 1080 rad, he should be able to accomplish his goal w/o any fans. isolating and dampening the noise of a water pump is a matter of making an enclosed box with fiberglass insulation inside and put the pump inside the enclosed box. the pump noise will be minimal and the radiator will simply operate passively. with enough surface area, there is no need for fans if he's not looking for SLi level of performance. IF he's not satisfy with the temps, he can always add another 1080 rad to the loop and further expand the surface area.

unfortunately pure passive air cooling is not feasible with current market offerings. the absolute best air cooling case ever produced (zalman TNN500AF)

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is no longer in production so the best you can do is get a used unit and mod it for current standards which may be too expensive. other air solutions simply does not offer sufficient heat capacity/dissipation for the job.

there are other passive offerings that are still being produced, but not sufficient for anything greater then a 100w TDP GPU which would be too anemic for his needs. even the TNN500AF would be hot for his purpose, but fortunately modern chips are designed to run on the warm side.

best "air cooling" case currently in production is the RV02/FT02 chassis. however it does not meet his acoustic requirements. it is definitely louder then a single 2.5" laptop HDD. personally I find that using a fan controller and dialing the fan speed down to 500RPM is an acceptable level of noise, but it's still slightly louder then a 2.5" drive

to come "close" to his requirement with out going with a custom liquid loop, I would use the following

mobo of choice, doesn't really matter since mobo aren't "loud" biggrin.gif most high end mobo does not require active cooing since they have MASSIVE heatsinks for the VRM/north/southbridge
Thermalright HR22 HSF (should be released soon if not already on the market) + SLOW spinning fan somewhere between 800RPM to 1000RPM max speed.
high performance TIM that would work with a delided chip. (none conductive / none abrasive)
FT02 with a high quality fan controller to bring the AP181's down to 500RPM. (i would not dip below 400RPM since it wouldn't generate enough static pressure to push any air pass the air filters)
powercolor passive 7850
samsung 8 gig sticks (since it uses the 30nm tech so it naturally use less power therefor less heat produced.
either the up coming rosewell 600w silentnight or the enermax 650w fanless PSU. (neither are actually on the market, but due to release this year)
a SSD or 2, and a single 2TB 2.5" laptop HDD.

with this configuration, the loudest part should be the AP181s operating at 500RPM which i find it to be an acceptable level of noise. (quieter then wind noise of central air conditioning unit which is easy to fall asleep to)

the only problem with this configuration is the 7850 may still be too anemic for his gaming needs. however there simply aren't ANY quiet air cooled GPU's on the market today. there are no passive triple wide GPU coolers on the market AT ALL frown.gif and of the high performance aftermarket coolers on the market, they still require a fairly massive amount of cooling and does not work well with the rotated mobo orientation of the FT02. it's unfortunate that there aren't ANY aftermarket GPU coolers that takes up 3 slots JUST for the heatsink. the ASUS GPU's are the only one's that use a triple slot cooler, but that's both heatsink AND fan... and either way the heatsink is not compatible with the vertical mounting system of the FT02.
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