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post #11 of 29
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I think microsoft postponed mantle from xbox one, because its competitive with their direct x http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/168671-xbox-one-will-not-support-amds-mantle-and-ps4-is-also-unlikely-is-mantle-doa

The things I care about these 2 gpus, is not mantle or the free games... But to be feature proof.

Here is a question.

Gtx 770s are direct x 11.0. But gigabyte claims that the windforce edition is 11.1 , is it true? http://www.gigabyte.us/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4692#sp


I dont have windows 8 after all and it will take a long time, till direct x 11.2 games comes out

The two cards are both future proof, they are so close in comparison and bench marks that it's really buyers preference. thumb.gif
     
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GTX 770 4GB is a waste. if you are going to spend so much money get a R9 290. it crushes the GTX 770. thumb.gif if you want to spend lesser get a ASUS R9 280X DCII TOP. the best reviewed and quietest R9 280X. put yourself on autonotify at newegg and grab it when its back in stock.
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GTX 770 4GB is a waste. if you are going to spend so much money get a R9 290. it crushes the GTX 770. thumb.gif if you want to spend lesser get a ASUS R9 280X DCII TOP. the best reviewed and quietest R9 280X. put yourself on autonotify at newegg and grab it when its back in stock.

It's not a waste if you don't want to/can't spend more than the 4GB 770 costs and you want an nvidia card with nvidia features (and right now an actual good aftermarket cooler which aren't yet available for the 290) though is it. And why the 280x if not the 290? You're a helpful guy but from what I've seen you only ever recommend people AMD cards in every single post you make, you have a massive AMD bias. Not everybody bases their buying decision on value for money price/performance. Since I have been posting again here in the last few weeks I have seen you pretty much selling AMD cards to people in every "what graphics card should I buy thread". Honestly, do you work for them? Because if not they should be paying you for all the time you spend on here telling people to buy their graphics cards. Also if you actually read his post you would see that he is being given a replacement and not paying for it so price difference between the 4GB 770 and 280x doesn't come into it.

I agree the 290 is a faster card than the 4GB 770 for currently not loads more money, but there are other factors apart from price/performance. The 770 and the 280x are equal - 2GB's can be had for a bit less than a 280x and 4GB's for a bit more, I can see 4GB 770 prices falling again though as they are a bit too close to the 290. Get whichever one you prefer the feature sets of or whichever brand you have a preference for (AMD/Nvidia). The 280x will get mantle (still unknown how much this can improve performance but we might know soon) and the 770 has PhysX and will get G-Sync if that interests you. Then there is stuff like which drivers you prefer to consider if you have had experience with both. If you have found Nvidias drivers to be problem-free on your GTX 480 then maybe that will make you want to stick with Nvidia more. I'm having a hard time myself picking between the two as there is nothing in it really. Since you are getting this replacement for free that removes the price stuff completely and it's basically AMD or Nvidia.

Right now I'd say don't get a 290 unless you are going to put a third party cooler on it because of noise and temperature, also the 290 consumes a lot of power (you are looking at 500W+ full system load with an overclock) and as you say you won't want 2 of them because of that either. When the 290 has aftermarket coolers and (if) they drop the temperature of it a lot, then I'm sure it will be the card to get, but this minute unless you're watercooling or whatever I'd say no). Otherwise unless the 780 drops in price again the 290 is going to have no competition and will be the best choice for a ~$400 budget.

Personally I might try and hold on for aftermarket 290's as long as they don't push the price up much as then it will be out of my budget, and I'll go for a 4GB 770 or 280x.

I am not interested in Crossfire or SLI myself as I won't be doing it but I see you are and it is the general opinion that SLI is better than crossfire because of better driver support but crossfire is meant to be improving recently. I see you can't wait for custom cooled 290's as well, so with those things in mind if I was you I'd go for the 770 4GB if you want to add another card. I think that makes the choice a bit easier than if it was a single card.

My unbiased opinion.

edit: nice one on being able to get one of these cards free as a replacement by the way haha, you've done well there.

edit2: are you sure your motherboard supports both SLI and Crossfire? Nevermind I see you are buying a new one anyways so just make sure it supports SLI or Crossfire (or both) depending on which card you pick.
Edited by smaudioz - 11/6/13 at 6:39am
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post #14 of 29
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no this motherboard is not good for sli or crossfire, I ve made a mistake.. this is the motherboard... http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/P55%20ProUSB3/?cat=Specifications

Its similar with the other one, but it has usb3 aswell.
As I said I am in the process to upgrade and I was between 4820k vs 4770k. But 4770k performs better and consumes less power, so I think I will get that. My decision is not final and I don't want to think about it right now.

I was about to buy a ps4, but since my gpu turn faulty, it changed some of my plans, to speed up my pc parts and upgrade. I wont get ps4 now... lol

and here is another review with skyrim also http://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/asus_r9_280x_directcu_ii_top_review,21.html
Edited by Orifiel - 11/6/13 at 9:13am
post #15 of 29
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It's not a waste if you don't want to/can't spend more than the 4GB 770 costs and you want an nvidia card with nvidia features (and right now an actual good aftermarket cooler which aren't yet available for the 290) though is it. And why the 280x if not the 290? You're a helpful guy but from what I've seen you only ever recommend people AMD cards in every single post you make, you have a massive AMD bias. Not everybody bases their buying decision on value for money price/performance. Since I have been posting again here in the last few weeks I have seen you pretty much selling AMD cards to people in every "what graphics card should I buy thread". Honestly, do you work for them? Because if not they should be paying you for all the time you spend on here telling people to buy their graphics cards. Also if you actually read his post you would see that he is being given a replacement and not paying for it so price difference between the 4GB 770 and 280x doesn't come into it.

you said it yourself. unless a user wants a Nvidia card due to physx or some other exclusive feature there is no reason to buy GTX 770 4GB over R9 290 4GB. if the OP wanted those features he wouldn't have thrown up a poll for R9 280X vs GTX 770. thumb.gif

R9 280X cards with 3GB VRAM sell for USD 300+ . GTX 770 with 2GB VRAM sells for USD 330+ . the R9 280X is the card to get as imo the 2GB VRAM has proven to be an issue in the latest games even at 1080p.

http://www.hardwarepal.com/battlefield-4-benchmark-mp-cpu-gpu-w7-vs-w8-1/12/

BF4 at 1080p ultra 4x msaa with 64 man MP server uses 2.25+ GB VRAM. imo there is no point in getting a 2GB card at USD 300+ .

about the GTX 770 4GB vs R9 290 4GB i don't want to even debate. the R9 290 crushes the GTX 770. btw the fan cooler and noise issue is overblown.

http://techreport.com/review/25602/amd-radeon-r9-290-graphics-card-reviewed/9

" Much has been made of the R9 290X's relatively high power draw, operating temperatures, and noise levels. Obviously, the R9 290 shares these same characteristics, with a somewhat louder default fan profile. In my view, the only one of these properties that's really worth fussing over is the noise, since it's the thing you'll notice in day-to-day use.

We're apparently going to have to face this price/performance-versus-acoustics tradeoff for a while, so I spent some quality time with the R9 290 trying to get a handle on what I think of the noise, beyond the readings on the decibel meter. I've gotta say, there are some mitigating factors. For one, I like AMD's choice to stick with a blower that exhausts hot air out of the case rather than going for a triple-fan cooler that doesn't. I've seen those fan-based aftermarket coolers perform poorly in multi-GPU configs, and they often occupy quite a bit more space—maybe even a third expansion slot—in order to work their magic. I'm also not convinced AMD's cooler is a poor performer and therefore noisy, as some folks seem to think. Remember, it has more heat to remove than any of the coolers on the other cards we tested. Finally, I don't think this blower's ~49 dBA reading is the worst of its type. The quality of the sound isn't grating. Subjectively speaking, there are much more annoying coolers in this territory on the decibel meter. The impressively smooth, gradual ramp of fan speeds up and down in the new PowerTune algorithm helps make the noise less noticeable, too. This ain't an FX-5800 Ultra, folks. "

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQhqOKKAq7o

55% fan speed at 0:19 - 0:27 . imo its not too loud. you are not going to find it loud inside a case and 2 ft away from you. thumb.gif
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post #16 of 29
55% in that video is like my Twin Frozr 3 dual fan cooler at 100%, and that would very much bother me and would be loud from 2 feet away. Anyways 290 is not in the running for the OP but personally I hope the aftermarket cooler versions are good and around the same price as the stock one is at the moment. If they stay at that price (not much over £300) then I'd be very tempted about spending more than I was going to so I can get one. Otherwise I'm back to the old 770 vs 280x can't make my mind up decision again.
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I care about moding, I LOVE GAMES with moding, adding features, textures, sounds, etc.. An example is skyrim, I used 4k-6k textures (even if I couldn't see much of a difference from a point of resolution) I use NEXUS community textures for these games (2-6gigs of packs).

And I use lots of programs such us...

adobe after effects
some adobe premiere
Adobe Photoshop
canon professional (raw image extraction and some edit)
and a couple of more, similar... thats it.

I watch lots of blu ray movies

Thats all about it... I also have my pc on for many hours per day, I dont use it 1-2-3-4 hours... maybe 8-10-12 per day.. I hope that helps. When I get my second pc parts, I may minimise that per system (internet, movie playback in my small system and video gaming, editing in my big system)
Edited by Orifiel - 11/6/13 at 8:47am
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I care about moding, I LOVE GAMES with moding, adding features, textures, sounds, etc.. An example is skyrim, I used 4k-6k textures (even if I couldn't see much of a difference from a point of resolution) I use NEXUS community textures for these games (2-6gigs of packs).

And I use lots of programs such us...

adobe after effects
some adobe premiere
Adobe Photoshop
canon professional (raw image extraction and some edit)
and a couple of more, similar... thats it.

I watch lots of blu ray movies

Thats all about it... I also have my pc on for many hours per day, I dont use it 1-2-3-4 hours... maybe 8-10-12 per day.. I hope that helps.

Well you will find many people say Skyrim runs more smoothly on Nvidia cards so in the case of that particular game I'd advise the 4GB 770.

As for the adobe stuff the nvidia card has CUDA which I think is going to be useful for those programs you use as Adobe products like the ones you mentioned support CUDA processing. I know the AMD card has more compute power but I'm not sure what that's for, I think maybe 3D modelling?

So I would say the 770 sounds like it will be more suited to your needs. The 770 also uses less power but it's not like it is going to save you much money so it's not really worth basing a decision on.
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my gtx 480 gave me about 55-60fps per second with all these mods... From the reviews, both cards are not an issue...one card gives 90 and the other one 85 or something.

I dont do 3d modelling (only if I decide to create my own mod, with ready toold and materials), I mostly edit some times and some videos, that I may take with my canon 5d mark ii. I mostly do still photography and some manipulation...

Here is a review from asus card and skyrim http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/R9_280X_Direct_Cu_II_TOP/21.html

I dont know if all reviews are legit though, I want to believe yes... system settings and hardware changes from a review to another review may change, so some performance may change aswell.

Trust me I ve seen all reviews, thats why I made a gtx770 vs 280x... Because with all these reviews, the field isnt definitive... they are similar in most ways.
Edited by Orifiel - 11/6/13 at 9:06am
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Both are good cards with 'similar' performance. If price is the same or price difference doesn't matter to you then I advise to chose between the 2 proprietary features of amd & nvidia

280x: you will be able to use mantle is some games
770: you will be able to use G-sync in the future (g-sync compatible monitor needed)
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