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They most likely won't say anything about CPU-related stuff.

Also:

1) They will talk about Steamroller (the uarch) and Kaveri at APU '13, which is in just a few days (Nov. 11th - Nov. 14th)
2) The new roadmaps will come out soon which will tell what will be happening for the desktop in 2014 and maybe Q1 2015, so any questions lingering about the future of AM3+ or SR FX will be answered by that.
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Can't wait! I have three questions:
1. Will the AM3+ platform have a Steamroller FX CPU released for it?
2. When can we see a Mantle demonstration?
3. When are the non-reference 290x/290's going to be available?

Be sure and ask a timeframe on that CPU. people wont care as much if it doesnt get released until January 2015.


Also, non-reference 290X's are supposed to be out later this month I thought.
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What I don't understand is Intel has been making CPU/GPU combos for a while and people don't request CPU only as an Enthusiast part. Why do people request a CPU only part from AMD?
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Also, non-reference 290X's are supposed to be out later this month I thought.

Yes but I want them NOW! biggrin.gif I'm really excited to see what a non reference 290x/290 can do when they aren't being choked by thermals.
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What I don't understand is Intel has been making CPU/GPU combos for a while and people don't request CPU only as an Enthusiast part. Why do people request a CPU only part from AMD?

Intel has CPU-Only as enthusiast parts. The entire LGA2011 (SB-E/IB-E) and soon to be Haswell-E platforms.
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Intel is the only brand that has succeeded in shrinking lower. But even they have the problem where power consumption is a bit higher.

Power consumption drops dramatically with every die shrink, if you're talking about sandy bridge to ivy.. then ivy is cooler even though it has much smaller die area if it's not handicapped by delid issue
Yes power consumption IS lower. But it is not as low as Intel HOPED it would be. Especially since Intel is focusing more and more on mobile. See the thing is Intel's 3D Tri Gate is not as power efficient as hoped. The same thing is happening in AMD. They use partially depleted SOI or PD-SOI. But it does not scale well beyond 32nm. So AMD now has to either go HKMG or fully depleted SOI for 28nm and beyond. HKMG which Intel uses for 3D Tri Gate costs 30% more for 30% performance boost and is not as power efficient as FD-SOI. FD-SOI on the other hand can do 30% performance boost for 10% of the price. Reason being is AMD does not have do major changes to their major SOI fabs. However the development time for FD-SOI is longer than that of BULK and HKMG. My main point is shrinking is just going to start taking more and more effort and it is going to be longer and longer between shrinks. Which is exactly why AMD and NVidia relaunched their current architectures. We have been lucky that we get new hardware every year. But that time is coming to an end. We are at the end of an era. I personally think this is a good change. It is good for consumers because we won't need to upgrade as often. And when it comes to manufacture's I think they will release new architectures every two years or so and between those they are going to be forced to release revisions of said hardware as the node they are built on matures. Personally I am happy we are seeing a slow down. It will be easier on our wallets!thumb.gif
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What I don't understand is Intel has been making CPU/GPU combos for a while and people don't request CPU only as an Enthusiast part. Why do people request a CPU only part from AMD?

Only their Socket 1155/1150 parts have GPU's on them. The whole Socket 2011 lineup are basically just cut-down Xeon's -- no GPU on the die. If you see die shots, there's no room anyway. Just a crapload of L3 cache taking up lots of space.
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What I don't understand is Intel has been making CPU/GPU combos for a while and people don't request CPU only as an Enthusiast part. Why do people request a CPU only part from AMD?

Only their Socket 1155/1150 parts have GPU's on them. The whole Socket 2011 lineup are basically just cut-down Xeon's -- no GPU on the die. If you see die shots, there's no room anyway. Just a crapload of L3 cache taking up lots of space.
This... Why would enthusiasts want a CPU with a GPU die on it that they will probably NEVER use. Imagine how much faster 3770K and 4770K would be if you cut out the GPU die and used the extra space for an extra two cores and extra cache?

The reason why Intel buyers NEVER ask this of Intel is because they know it will NEVER happen.
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This... Why would enthusiasts want a CPU with a GPU die on it that they will probably NEVER use. Imagine how much faster 3770K and 4770K would be if you cut out the GPU die and used the extra space for an extra two cores and extra cache?

The reason why Intel buyers NEVER ask this of Intel is because they know it will NEVER happen.
Imagine the performance-boost from using a gpu for floatpoint and other parallel tasks.
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They could say FM2+ it supports Crossfire and PCIe 3.0 (x8/x8 like on intel's mainstream). Nice try though redface.gif
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Yeah, people are going to have to get really tricky if they want any sort of hints about HEDT parts. I'm thinking of asking some questions along the lines of "when will AMD have a platform that supports PCIe 3.0 for 290x Crossfire since it works best with PCIe 3.0" and stuff like that.
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