Overclock.net › Forums › Cooling › Air Cooling › Air Cooling vs Liquid Cooling
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Air Cooling vs Liquid Cooling

post #1 of 9
Thread Starter 
Building a custom rig for high end gaming. Need an opinion on what kind of cooling system I should roll with.
I've been highly considering a liquid cooler like the Corsair Hydro H60, but I've been told they're not worth the price.
If so, what kind of air cooler should I use? I heard Cooler Master has some good air cooling systems -- any specifics?

I am looking for the best bang for the buck.


Here's my specs for reference:

Case: NZXT Phantom 410 ATX
PSU: Corsair CX 600W
CPU: Intel i5 4670K Haswell 3.4Ghz
Motherboard: Gigabyte Z87X-D3H LGA 1150
GPU: Gigabyte GTX 770 Windforce OC 2GB
RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws X 8GB (2x4) 1600MHz
HDD: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 7200RPM
Optical Drive: ASUS 24X/48X
OS: Windows 7 Home Premium (64-bit)
post #2 of 9
If your going to do a closed loop like the corsair h60, then a high end air cooler for the same price will be better. Watercooling isn't really worth it until you get into the higher end custom loops.
Silent Dominator
(28 items)
 
Classy Lady
(26 items)
 
TUF Inside
(18 items)
 
  hide details  
Reply
Silent Dominator
(28 items)
 
Classy Lady
(26 items)
 
TUF Inside
(18 items)
 
  hide details  
Reply
post #3 of 9
well I use a h100 with a push/pull,,cooling my 3570k,,,,at 4.6ghz 1.288vcore,,i get 60-65.c coretemp,,,,I,m using NZXT FN 120RB fans,,there quiet,,,not really made for static pressure,,,but do the job real well,,,,its up to you, but getting a 240mm or 280mm rad is the best way to go,,,H60 is gonna sound like a hair dryer,,and wont work that well
the tooth
(18 items)
 
HAF 922
(14 items)
 
902
(11 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
I5 3570k sabertooth Z77 asus gtx970 dcII 4gb 16gb gskill ripjaws 1600mz 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
seagate sata 1 tb samsung 840 evo 250gb ssd lg blueray corsair H105 
OSMonitorMonitorMonitor
windows 10 home  asus 27inch 1080p  acer 24 inch 1080p acer 24 inch 1080p 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
logitech G110 corsair tx 750watt fractual design define XL R2 mx518 
Audio
sony wireless,,,headphones 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
fx 6300 asus m5a99X evo asus gtx 670 2gb  8gb 1600mhz gskill ripjaws 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
corsair 120gb ssd WD 1 tb 7200rpm lg blueray H100 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
windows 7 home premium 50 inch 3d plasma 1080p,,smart tv logitech wireless  EVGA SuperNova G2 750 
CaseAudio
coolermaster 922 denon 7.1,home theatre 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
amd 965x4 asus,m4n72-e asus gtx 570 1.25gb 8gb 800 gskill ddr2 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingMonitor
samsung 840 evo lg cheap zalman something cpu cooler??,,,works pretty good lg 22 inch 
PowerCase
coolermaster 850 antec 902 
  hide details  
Reply
the tooth
(18 items)
 
HAF 922
(14 items)
 
902
(11 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
I5 3570k sabertooth Z77 asus gtx970 dcII 4gb 16gb gskill ripjaws 1600mz 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
seagate sata 1 tb samsung 840 evo 250gb ssd lg blueray corsair H105 
OSMonitorMonitorMonitor
windows 10 home  asus 27inch 1080p  acer 24 inch 1080p acer 24 inch 1080p 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
logitech G110 corsair tx 750watt fractual design define XL R2 mx518 
Audio
sony wireless,,,headphones 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
fx 6300 asus m5a99X evo asus gtx 670 2gb  8gb 1600mhz gskill ripjaws 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
corsair 120gb ssd WD 1 tb 7200rpm lg blueray H100 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
windows 7 home premium 50 inch 3d plasma 1080p,,smart tv logitech wireless  EVGA SuperNova G2 750 
CaseAudio
coolermaster 922 denon 7.1,home theatre 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
amd 965x4 asus,m4n72-e asus gtx 570 1.25gb 8gb 800 gskill ddr2 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingMonitor
samsung 840 evo lg cheap zalman something cpu cooler??,,,works pretty good lg 22 inch 
PowerCase
coolermaster 850 antec 902 
  hide details  
Reply
post #4 of 9
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ShortySmalls View Post

If your going to do a closed loop like the corsair h60, then a high end air cooler for the same price will be better. Watercooling isn't really worth it until you get into the higher end custom loops.

Would the Cooler Master EVO 212 be a good cooling system for me?

I mean I won't be overclocking my CPU, and even if I decided to, I wouldn't go past 3.8Ghz (that'd be the max) If anything, I'll only OC my GPU for games like Crysis 3.
post #5 of 9
I've tried both, go air cooler.

No pump to break down, no noise from the pump, & no stress from a leak screwing up your whole system.
Shhh!
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 2600k Asus Maximus IV Gene-Z MSI GTX1080 Gaming X Corsair XMS3 2GB x 4 
Hard DriveCoolingMonitorPower
Crucial M4 256GB Vertex 4 512GB 1 TB Black Caviar Noctua NH-D14 Achieva Shimian 27" 2560x1440 Kingwin Lazer Platinum LZP-550 550W  
Case
Silverstone SG09 
  hide details  
Reply
Shhh!
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 2600k Asus Maximus IV Gene-Z MSI GTX1080 Gaming X Corsair XMS3 2GB x 4 
Hard DriveCoolingMonitorPower
Crucial M4 256GB Vertex 4 512GB 1 TB Black Caviar Noctua NH-D14 Achieva Shimian 27" 2560x1440 Kingwin Lazer Platinum LZP-550 550W  
Case
Silverstone SG09 
  hide details  
Reply
post #6 of 9
If you don't plan to OC EVO 212 will be more than enough, it's also compact enough to fit RAM with heatsinks.

Big air coolers like Thermalright Silver Arrow block RAM slots on most motherboards, which forces you to get low profile RAM, which is hard to come by these days.

There are also deals out there for bigger liquid cooling kits (Thermaltake CLW0217 Water 2.0 Extreme can be had for $60 after rebate now).
Modern
(11 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5-2500K @ 4.7Ghz ASUS P8P67 PRO EVGA GTX 1070 16GB DDR3-1866 
Hard DriveCoolingOSPower
Intel SSD  Noctua NH-D14 Windows 7 CORSAIR TX750W 
CaseOther
TT Level 10 GT Noctua NF-P12 (Strapped to all radiators) 
  hide details  
Reply
Modern
(11 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5-2500K @ 4.7Ghz ASUS P8P67 PRO EVGA GTX 1070 16GB DDR3-1866 
Hard DriveCoolingOSPower
Intel SSD  Noctua NH-D14 Windows 7 CORSAIR TX750W 
CaseOther
TT Level 10 GT Noctua NF-P12 (Strapped to all radiators) 
  hide details  
Reply
post #7 of 9
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tazo444 View Post

Would the Cooler Master EVO 212 be a good cooling system for me?

I mean I won't be overclocking my CPU, and even if I decided to, I wouldn't go past 3.8Ghz (that'd be the max) If anything, I'll only OC my GPU for games like Crysis 3.

o ya the 212+ or 212 evo would be perfect for a mild overclock,,,,i use a 212 evo on my 6300,,at 4.2 it stays below 55.c coretemp,,,I use gskill ripjaws also and have to use 2nd and 4th slot for memory,,because the fan bumps the memory,,but sliding the fan back 2-3mm is all it takes to make room for using the 1st slot,,CM V8 will offer plenty of room for even higher memory heatsinks
Edited by trailer park boy - 11/6/13 at 10:00am
the tooth
(18 items)
 
HAF 922
(14 items)
 
902
(11 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
I5 3570k sabertooth Z77 asus gtx970 dcII 4gb 16gb gskill ripjaws 1600mz 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
seagate sata 1 tb samsung 840 evo 250gb ssd lg blueray corsair H105 
OSMonitorMonitorMonitor
windows 10 home  asus 27inch 1080p  acer 24 inch 1080p acer 24 inch 1080p 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
logitech G110 corsair tx 750watt fractual design define XL R2 mx518 
Audio
sony wireless,,,headphones 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
fx 6300 asus m5a99X evo asus gtx 670 2gb  8gb 1600mhz gskill ripjaws 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
corsair 120gb ssd WD 1 tb 7200rpm lg blueray H100 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
windows 7 home premium 50 inch 3d plasma 1080p,,smart tv logitech wireless  EVGA SuperNova G2 750 
CaseAudio
coolermaster 922 denon 7.1,home theatre 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
amd 965x4 asus,m4n72-e asus gtx 570 1.25gb 8gb 800 gskill ddr2 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingMonitor
samsung 840 evo lg cheap zalman something cpu cooler??,,,works pretty good lg 22 inch 
PowerCase
coolermaster 850 antec 902 
  hide details  
Reply
the tooth
(18 items)
 
HAF 922
(14 items)
 
902
(11 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
I5 3570k sabertooth Z77 asus gtx970 dcII 4gb 16gb gskill ripjaws 1600mz 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
seagate sata 1 tb samsung 840 evo 250gb ssd lg blueray corsair H105 
OSMonitorMonitorMonitor
windows 10 home  asus 27inch 1080p  acer 24 inch 1080p acer 24 inch 1080p 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
logitech G110 corsair tx 750watt fractual design define XL R2 mx518 
Audio
sony wireless,,,headphones 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
fx 6300 asus m5a99X evo asus gtx 670 2gb  8gb 1600mhz gskill ripjaws 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
corsair 120gb ssd WD 1 tb 7200rpm lg blueray H100 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
windows 7 home premium 50 inch 3d plasma 1080p,,smart tv logitech wireless  EVGA SuperNova G2 750 
CaseAudio
coolermaster 922 denon 7.1,home theatre 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
amd 965x4 asus,m4n72-e asus gtx 570 1.25gb 8gb 800 gskill ddr2 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingMonitor
samsung 840 evo lg cheap zalman something cpu cooler??,,,works pretty good lg 22 inch 
PowerCase
coolermaster 850 antec 902 
  hide details  
Reply
post #8 of 9
If you don't want to go a quality water cooling system stick with air. It's cheaper, quieter, performs as good or better and is vertually trouble free.

Here's a list of big coolers with size and CPU to bottom fin clearance. Add 8mm to that for motherboard to bottom fin clearance. Subtract 2-3mm for RAM mount and the difference is how tall RAM can be. There's lots of RAM out there that will easily fit under most coolers. As you can see most will clear 45mm RAM.. some even fit over 54mm RAM. Ones with lowest fins are Archon SB-E and Silver Arrow SB-E.

Fitting a 140mm fan on top of RAM is more of a issue. wink.gif

Cooler size comparison (Width x Depth x Height looking from front of case with motherboard laying flat)

Akasa Medusa .= . 8x 6mm pipes 144x129.5x163mm w/ 140mm & 120mm PWM fans 49.6mm*
K2 / Assassin . = . 8x 6mm pipes 140x128x158mm 146x154x160mm w/ 120mm & 140mm PWM fans43.2mm*
Dark Rock Pro 2 =. 7x 6mm pipes 133x124x166mm 133x149x166mm w/ 120mm & 135mm PWM fans
NH-D14 . . . . = . . 6x 6mm pipes 140x130x160mm 140x158x160mm w/ 120mm & 140mm fans44mm*
NH-U14S . . . = . . 6x 6mm pipes 150x52x165mm plus fans base offset 2mm 41mm*
PH-TC14PE. . = . . 5x 8mm pipes 140x159x171mm w/ 2x 140mm fans, PWM adaptor40-45mm*
Megahalem. . = . . 6x 6mm pipes 130x74x158.7mm plus fans 40mm*
HE01 . . . . .= . . . 6x 6mm pipes 140x119x160mm w/ 140x38mm PWM fan 42mm*
Archon SB-E. . = . 8x 6mm pipes 155x53.6x170.2mm plus fans 34.45mm*
Silver Arrow . = . . 4x 8mm pipes 147x123x163mm 151x149x168mm w/ 2x 140mm Fans 40.87mm*
SA SB-E . . . .= . . 8x 6mm pipes 155x105x164mm 170x130x170mm w/ 140mm & 150mm PWM fans 31.9/39/46mm**
SA SB-E Extreme . 8x 6mm pipes 155x105x164mm 155x130x165mm w/fans Smaller because of 140mm fan vs 150mm fan.


*cooler base to bottom fin. (add 8mm for motherboard to bottom fin.)
**fins are at 3 different levels

K2, D14 & 14PE are about same size cooler. 14PE has 140mm front fan
140mm fans can be problematic with ram clearance.
All can interfere with PCI-e slots 1 & 2
SA SB-E is widest by 15mm. 170mm with TY-150 fan in middle. TY-150 is 169x151mm
SA SB-E Extreme is 155mm wide with TY-143 fan in middle. TY-14x fans are 151x140mm.
Edited by doyll - 11/6/13 at 10:24am
post #9 of 9
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tazo444 View Post

Would the Cooler Master EVO 212 be a good cooling system for me?

I mean I won't be overclocking my CPU, and even if I decided to, I wouldn't go past 3.8Ghz (that'd be the max) If anything, I'll only OC my GPU for games like Crysis 3.

If you don't plan on overclocking at all, then that cooler is great! It will even work for a mild overclock.
Silent Dominator
(28 items)
 
Classy Lady
(26 items)
 
TUF Inside
(18 items)
 
  hide details  
Reply
Silent Dominator
(28 items)
 
Classy Lady
(26 items)
 
TUF Inside
(18 items)
 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Air Cooling
Overclock.net › Forums › Cooling › Air Cooling › Air Cooling vs Liquid Cooling