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Hi Guys,

Not been on here for a while but just recently built my new rig and I'm having some very strange issues with my watercooling loop in my Prodigy. I've just updated all the components in the build so hopefully they are all now visible.

If not, the loop is as follows:

AlphaCool DC LT/Res - GTX 580 Hydrocopper - Black Ice 240mm Rad (in top) - EK Supreme HF CU - XSPC 120mm Rad (In front) - Alphacool DC LT/Res.

I leak tested this for around 3 hours and all looked well. I tilted the case back and forward at regular intervals to expel all air and all looked well. I fired it up and booted first time and I was happy with the initial temperatures. (around 29 idle - 58 Prime95)

I played briefly with a very basic overclock and had it running at 4.4GHz with 1.32v. I can probably get this better but will look at this in more detail later. The temps at this speed were in the high 70's but I was happy with this as the voltage is a bit higher than I'd like to run 24/7.

Now for the problems! I started playing Saints Row IV and after around 2 hours i heard a strange gurgling sound. Every few seconds I could hear a noise like bubbling in water!? I felt the top of the Prodigy and the heat was extreme! I immediately shut the game down and ran Real Temp. Although now at idle it was around 60 degrees on all cores but coming down quickly. (I dread to think what it was running at whilst gaming)

I popped the cover off the case and the was a massive 'pocket' of air in the tubing between the 120mm rad and the res. The res was also filled to the brim and the coolant had seeped out the top. Luckily this did no damage to my components but was pretty worrying. I re primed the system and got a lot of air gurgling in the res when rocking the case. After another few hours It looked settled so I returned to gaming thinking I was rid of the air only to get the same issue after around 3 hours.

I'm really worried about gaming with this rig (I built it for this reason) in case this happens again but I cannot understand how it can go hours under Prime95 with no issue but gaming seems to cause a problem. I even tried a hour of Furmark and it was fine.

Any help on this issue would be very much appreciated.

Thanks.
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post #2 of 4
First off, you may have already done damage to your processor

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Core_i7/Intel-Core%20i7-4770K.html
Maximum operating temperature ? 72.72°C

Make sure you dont have a leak anywhere else besides the one you found at the res. This could be why air entered the system.

Also, someone will need to chime in here, is that pump sufficient for this setup?

As for why prime95 and Furmark didnt heat things up on their own, well Prime95 stresses your CPU, Furmark Stresses your GPU and Saints Row stresses both of them. You're CPU and GPU by themselves may not have been taxing your system, but together they require significantly more cooling.

You are also running the minimum amount of radiators you need for this setup. And if they are single thick... well that may yet not be enough.

IIRC, was it the 580 or the 540 that was a toaster oven?
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Thanks for the reply and sorry for the delay in replying but I was away on holiday.

I think the CPU is fine as its performing well and temperatures seem good. I unbolted both the radiators and tilted back and forward, up and down and i managed to expel more air from the loop. I cannot find any leaks and my coolant has remained constant level in the res.

The gurgling noise is still happening every 10 seconds. Its hard to explain but it starts with slow a bubbling noise which gets quicker and quicker and then stops. This repeats in after 10 seconds. Could it be the order I have built the loop in?

Performance wise its great. The 580 hits around 55 degrees tops after gaming so I'm very happy with this as air cooled versions can hit the 90's. I've now got a modest OC on the 4770k to 4.2GHz and an hour or so or prime cannot push it over 70 degrees so not too bad so I assume my radiators seem fit for the job.

I cannot see where I could still have air trapped but the noise is driving me mad. Its a pity I cannot upload a recording of it here. If I cant get rid of it it looks like I'll have to go back to air sadsmiley.gif

If anyone has any suggestions please let me know.

Thanks.
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what res do you have? my bitspower mini tank plus is such a small res that the pump operating at regular speed creates a vortex and pulls air in. to stop this, i used a filter sponge and it eliminated the vortex and kills the trapped air.
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