Originally Posted by chrisf4lc0n
I am not a big fan of the AMD or Radeons, but I hate companies like Nvidia charging people for their products outrageous amounts of money just because they can! How come that when R9 290X arrived Nvidia slashed their GTX 780 prices well down, does it mean that all of the sudden the production costs of the cards have gone down that much? I am sure that even at the new price they are still making profit, so why they could not sell they cards at that price to start with? Sorry, but I hate capitalistic pigs trying to make money on us simple folks...
It's called capitalism
Companies are not not-for-profits .... corporations exist to maximize profits.....they charge what the market will bear. But I don't get why that is any different than the monster price cuts that were instituted on the 7xxx series when the 6xx series broke and then again when the 7xx came out. AMD has an image of being price friendly only because they have been forced in recent times by 2nd place finishes to take that role. But any time they've held the top spot, they've maintained similar price premiums. I don't think when they had their recent management exodus they replaced those people by advertising for senior management people who would promise to keep profits at modest levels.
nVidia was making a killing on the 780 "cause they could" .... now their profit's been knocked down to more modest levels because now there is competition. The 780 was hard buy at $650..... at $500, it's sitting pretty. How to stop them form making profits ? You'll need a wide sweeping change in mindset to convince people not to "pay to win".....politics, professional sports....even the olympics...the gold medal winner comes home and makes millions, the silver medalists comes home and sells insurance....and after 6 months no one remembers who he / she was.
I know there is GTX 780ti which is at least 20% faster than Radeon, but it again comes at higher price again and there is no water blocks for it yet. That is another thing which gets me... Nvidia have had Kepler for a while now, they had the technology to make GTX 780ti, but they did not, they just waited until AMD releases their cards, so they can show off... Why they did not release GTX 780ti earlier, so everyone could enjoy it.... Politics, money, money and once again money
Ofcourse. If you have two cards and one costs $400 to make and one costs $500 to make..... if your 2nd place performing card beats the competition's best offering, you could put both on the market and compete with yourself ...... or you could put it on the shelf and wait for the competition to up the ante .... plain and simple "business 101" strategy.
Many pundits speculated / reported that nVidia never released their top card with the 6xx series....the thinking went that the 670 was relabeled as the 680 because the "planned 670" had better performance than the 7970. It's possible that they had this card or cards sitting on the shelf this whole time.... many are speculating now that AMD took a page out of that playbook and have a 290xx or something waiting to chase the 780 Ti.
Unfortunately the sample of the card I currently have does not overclock that well, the max I have achieved is stable 1150Mhz on the GPU and 1400MHz VRAM, without throttling down of course. I think that once the Sapphire Trixxx will get updated with new cards and I will not need to use Catalyst Control Centre I can bump the voltage up a bit and run the card at much higher overclock. Even at the current oc the card matches/beats stock Titan!
I don't understand why peeps on both sides think it is significant that a second tier card overclocked beats a 1st tier card at stock. 1st tier cards can be overclocked too. Is it not more significant that the cheaper old 780 overclocked beats an overclocked 290x ? As you have found....the 290x's overclocking at this point is limited .... after seeing Linus's benchmarks I'm not surprised at your results.
(benchies at 8:00 minute mark)
Outta the box, the 290x beats the 780 (not the Ti, the old 780) but with both cards "overclocked to the wall", the 780 substantially tops the 290x @ 1920 x 1080... again but less so at 2560 x 1600 .... as he puts it, the 290x comes "outta the box quite aggressively clocked and there isn't a ton of headroom left". As this becomes well known, I see a price drop in the future on the 290x which will then force trickle down cuts on both sides....thatz a very good thing.
I'm really, really hoping that AMD internally believes that eventually they will be able to cool this card and to get sound down to acceptable levels and that they just squeezed this out earlier then they would have liked in order to have something competitive on the market for the holiday shopping season. If it can manage to top the 780 when both are overclocked, and drop the price to match, it might be able to eventually slip a card into the top ten in steam's GFX hardware survey (best showing for AMD now is 14th place) . If that doesn't happen soon, I think we will continue to see at least one side enjoying those fat juicy profits and that would be very disappointing.
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/Edited by JackNaylorPE - 11/9/13 at 10:08pm