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MSI Gaming/equivalent GTX 760 4GB SLI or MSI Gaming/Lightning/equivalent GTX 780?

Poll Results: Get 2 MSI Gaming/equivalent GTX 760 4GB in SLI or 1 MSI Lightning/equivalent GTX 780

This is a multiple choice poll
  • 50% of voters (2)
    2 MSI Gaming/equivalent GTX 760 4GB in SLI
  • 25% of voters (1)
    1 MSI Gaming/equivalent GTX 780
  • 25% of voters (1)
    Hold off a bit for Black Friday deals ect
4 Total Votes  
post #1 of 4
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Hey all. With the recent price drop in 780's, i've really considered taking a plunge and upgrading from my old 560Ti, but i've been in a back-and-forth internal battle between these two solutions and despite all the googled reviews and all can't really decide definitively between them and was looking for a bit of outside help into My specific situation that reviews can't cover. As for specifics:

1. Not looking to exceed a $600-650 budget, lower the better obviously. Main reason i'm not looking at 770 sli as that'd amount to a near $1000 upgrade

2. Only capable of doing dual-card SLI. PSU/Motherboard can't do tri-SLI effectively no matter the cards used(not that tri-sli works well in most cases anyway...)

3. Why 760 4GB? Because I already have several games that hit the 2GB VRAM mark. So the card has to have 3GB or greater VRAM or get lost IMO. i usually only hit the limit on moddable games like Bethesdas offerings, I typically use 2-4x MSAA with/or SMAA where possible so i don't use as much VRAM as some would i suppose, and i also aggressively tweak graphics settings based on visual differences. I '187' motion-blur and DoF(hate them) and typically use 12x AF as i don't see any difference between that and 16x AF, ect. but still need/want >2GB VRAM

4. I game @ 1980x1200 60Hz exclusively. While theres a slim possibility of me getting a 2560x1440(or 1600) sometime in the future, I will never use a multi-monitor setup...

5. I have a 760AXi corsair platinum >92% efficiency PSU, which is fine for 760sli or a 780 but i have doubts on future sli 780's, not that i plan on going that route since two mid-range future cards would probably match a new 780's price anyway(considering nvidias recent abysmal pricing track record), perform better, take less power, have better architecture improvements ect.

6. I never buy just-released games. Partly due to the crazy prices asked at launch, catching up on other titles, waiting for all the dlc-stuff to come out to get Everything as part of a GOTY/deluxe bundle, and general leeriness of 'just released' stuff on the principle of bugs needed fixing, online help, reviews as to whether its worth it, ect... so SLI Driver problems shouldn't theoretically be a problem for me, considering the 6-12 months after release that i'd buy it is more then enough time for nvidia to work out sli kinks unless they are completely incompetent(never know)....

7. From looking at my board, if I go SLI i'll likely have to get a new soundcard for an extra $40-80 as it looks like all PCI slots would be obstructed, meaning i'd have to switch the 3rd PCI-e 3.0 x4 slot to PCI-e x1 in the bios and buy a pci-e x1 soundcard or maybe a USB one, so thats another cost factor for SLI.

8. I plan on OC'ing the crap out of either solution

9. Two 140mm Hyperborea side fans will be blasting 180CFM of air @ 2.76 mm H2O pressure right into the cards and the case has very good airflow in general, so temps shouldn't really be an issue in either case.

It used to be a no-brainer when the 780 was $670, I was just waiting for the 760's price to drop abit but instead the 780 dropped to the ~$500 mark for high-end cards, matching the cost of 2 high-end 2GB 760's and being cheaper then two 4GB 760's @ $600-640.
From what i've seen on benchies Reference 760 SLI matches or beats high-end 780's @ stock by 5-10% in fps, with typically matching or (mostly)worse frametimes/99th%'s. However the cards weren't OC'ed(outside of factory OC's) in the benchmarks either and from what i've heard 780's OC Much better then 760's of Any caliber... The lackluster 99th percentile and frametimes of the 760 SLI is a bit of a concern, but those were with reference cards; the high-end msi/evga/gigabyte versions perform better so it stands to reason that they would perform better in SLI as well.
From reviews of MSI Gaming gtx760's and others, they perform slightly better in SLI then reference SLI, matching or beating the 780 by 10-20%(an extra 5-10%) depending on the game.

I havent seen any Direct comparisons of OC'ed 780's versus reference or non-reference 760's but cross-referencing multiple reviews has indicated that an OC'ed reference 780 meets or beats reference 760's in SLI @ stock in pretty much every application. With any luck OC'ed non-reference 780's like the classified/gaming/lightning likewise meet/beat the non-reference 760's in stock sli.

TL;DR
What this all broils down to:
Essentially i'm wondering if anyone thinks whatever performance gain you could get from two OC'ed 4GB GTX 760's from the Gaming/FTW/Windforce series over the equivalent, single OC'ed GTX 780 is really worth forking over an extra $120(plus soundcard costs) for?
I'm personally thinking thats a 'no' after all the searching i've done, especially since for not much more I could just get the 780 TI(whose stock reference performance matches an OC'ed reference 780) when the Gaming/ACX/Windforce cards for it roll out, though that kinda exceeds my budget with the MSRP nVidia gave for it and doesnt offer much over the 780 considering the $200 higher cost.
That 'no' would easily be reversed if the 760's price dropped like the other cards have, but i've heard no indications that that is going to happen, unless someone here knows better? Does nVidia plan on dropping 760 prices too or no?
I'm also in no Immediate rush; I can hold off a bit more to see if prices drop for black friday or whatever.
post #2 of 4
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Originally Posted by Garzhad View Post


TL;DR
What this all broils down to:
Essentially i'm wondering if anyone thinks whatever performance gain you could get from two OC'ed 4GB GTX 760's from the Gaming/FTW/Windforce series over the equivalent, single OC'ed GTX 780 is really worth forking over an extra $120(plus soundcard costs) for?
I'm personally thinking thats a 'no' after all the searching i've done, especially since for not much more I could just get the 780 TI(whose stock reference performance matches an OC'ed reference 780) when the Gaming/ACX/Windforce cards for it roll out, though that kinda exceeds my budget with the MSRP nVidia gave for it and doesnt offer much over the 780 considering the $200 higher cost.
That 'no' would easily be reversed if the 760's price dropped like the other cards have, but i've heard no indications that that is going to happen, unless someone here knows better? Does nVidia plan on dropping 760 prices too or no?
I'm also in no Immediate rush; I can hold off a bit more to see if prices drop for black friday or whatever.

Honestly only read this part, so thank you for the TL;DR tongue.gif

I was in your exact situation this week, except I already have 2x GTX760 2GB and play over Surround, so I needed more VRAM - It was either going to be grab a single GTX780 or slightly-upgrade to 2x GTX760 4GB.

I researched the absolute heck out of the 780 vs SLI 760 vs 770 vs R9 280X Xfire vs R9 290 over the last 48 hours, probably wasted a good half a day at work doing so. Though I generally only make a decision off benchmarks, not opinions. For me the better option was the 4GB 760 cards, because of the VRAM draw from Surround - but if I was in your situation where you're only playing on one monitor, everything I found pointed towards GO FOR THE SINGLE CARD OPTION.

Generally 0 issues with a single card and you can always SLI down the track, If I was in your position I would be grabbing the now discounted 780 or making the small jump to a 780 Ti which seems to be slightly better than a Titan for less price.. I love my SLI but there's no doubt a single card is always the better option on any 1080p setup.. especially considering your sound card woes.

A 780 would dominate everything at 1080p, a 780 Ti will dominate everything for years to come IMO.

Plus I think everyone on the net will tell you 4GB VRAM is overkill for even 1440p. the 3GB from a 780/780Ti will keep you truckin at ultra specs for a long time!
Edited by chevZ - 11/7/13 at 11:08pm
    
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post #3 of 4
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chevZ View Post

Honestly only read this part, so thank you for the TL;DR tongue.gif

I was in your exact situation this week, except I already have 2x GTX760 2GB and play over Surround, so I needed more VRAM - It was either going to be grab a single GTX780 or slightly-upgrade to 2x GTX760 4GB.

I researched the absolute heck out of the 780 vs SLI 760 vs 770 vs R9 280X Xfire vs R9 290 over the last 48 hours, probably wasted a good half a day at work doing so. Though I generally only make a decision off benchmarks, not opinions. For me the better option was the 4GB 760 cards, because of the VRAM draw from Surround - but if I was in your situation where you're only playing on one monitor, everything I found pointed towards GO FOR THE SINGLE CARD OPTION.

Generally 0 issues with a single card and you can always SLI down the track, If I was in your position I would be grabbing the now discounted 780 or making the small jump to a 780 Ti which seems to be slightly better than a Titan for less price.. I love my SLI but there's no doubt a single card is always the better option on any 1080p setup.. especially considering your sound card woes.

A 780 would dominate everything at 1080p, a 780 Ti will dominate everything for years to come IMO.

Plus I think everyone on the net will tell you 4GB VRAM is overkill for even 1440p. the 3GB from a 780/780Ti will keep you truckin at ultra specs for a long time!

Heh, thanks for the reply. I put the tl;dr just for that purpose; all the text was basically answering all the questions typically asked in the Vs threads and explaining the situation a bit. Most common questions were always about the resolution you'd be gaming at and such.
I generally replace the video card every 2-3 years, so as long as a 780/780ti lasts about that long i'll be happy. The 780TI does perform a decent bit over a 780 going by Vortez benches, but as for it being worth an extra $200+ for +10-15% for it im leaning no. Plus no good aftermarket 780ti's are out yet, no ACX/Windforce/Twin Frozrs. Reference coolers are always balls.
Things might change over the next few weeks though. Maybe BF sales will see deliciously priced FTW or Gaming 780TI's, or failing that, 780's that no one in their right mind could pass up buying.
I'd also briefly glanced at the R9 290 series too but just as with the 780ti, nothing but crappy reference coolers, though AMD's are seemingly plagued with heating problems, and they have the standard horrendous driver support ect that have for years kept pushing me away and hunting for sales on nVidia products instead.
As for 4GB being overkill, while that may be true for now @ 1080p, people also used to say 2GB was overkill, but recent games have smashed that notion to bits, especially when using higher levels of MSAA or very high resolution texture packs. I am fairly convinced ~3GB should be fine for a few years at least @ 1080P, considering better compression tech and newer, less VRAM intensive AA techniques.
post #4 of 4
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Heh, only thing to do now is figure out which maker offers the best card, MSI's Gaming/Lightning, EVGA FTW, Asus DC2OC, Zotac's AMP or Galaxy's HoF... back to the research board, lol
Seems like the MSI Lightning and Galaxy HoF take the cake though, the Amp is good too but also pricier and/or out of stock at my two preferred retails, with the Lightning being the top dog in OC capability(reaching up to 1.33GHz core, 6.7GHz memory), temperature(63C @ 1.33GHz??? ***BBQ?!), noise and FPS. At $515 after rebate the Lightning is the cheapest non-reference card in it's class at the moment.
Should complement the 4.3GHz 3570k well, though i'll be on the watch for a black friday deal on that as well, if i can get a back-up on the cheap i'll de-lid post-haste and see if that can't hit 4.8GHz thumbsupsmiley.png
Edited by Garzhad - 11/8/13 at 4:33pm
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