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Poll Results: Do You Black Screen?

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post #911 of 1600
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Ive had enough of mine, thought it might be my overclock after testing it for weeks but it's started doing it on idle with stock clocks. That to me is flat out faulty card. Pretty obvious its the hardware or bios that is faulty. Getting RMAd this week..

I'm taking a copy of the previous bios. Willing to bet sapphire and other 3rd party providers have some sort of fixed bios that corrects the black screen issue since its somehow related to idle/load voltages.. I remember AMD having similar issues in the past and people RMAing would receive a card with a revised bios. Wonder if this is similar

What people REALLY need to do is, if they are having BLACK SCREENS AT IDLE, they need to POST their ASIC rating % from gpu-z. That will be a dead giveaway as to what the problem is.
I'm willing to guess straight off (and I could be wrong), that cards with high ASIC's, have lower default Vids, which means they have lower idle voltages, which means more likely to black screen when the DDR memory jumps to full speed at idle (light load on desktop).

Obviously, memory and IMC tolerances can cause one card to be ok at same vid and another to black screen, but I'm pretty sure that, UNLESS the idle voltage is close to the same on all VID ranges/asic's, lower ASIC cards may be less prone to black screen, IF the idle voltage is higher (higher default vid).

Because remember, changing the voltage offset ALSO Raises the idle voltage...that's how I get that theory (and many idle blackscreens are fixed by raising gpu voltage).
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What people REALLY need to do is, if they are having BLACK SCREENS AT IDLE, they need to POST their ASIC rating % from gpu-z. That will be a dead giveaway as to what the problem is.
I'm willing to guess straight off (and I could be wrong), that cards with high ASIC's, have lower default Vids, which means they have lower idle voltages, which means more likely to black screen when the DDR memory jumps to full speed at idle (light load on desktop).

Interesting hypothesis, but my card is a 74.6% ASIC quality part with a fairly high stock VID, and it will black screen at idle with most BIOSes. I have seen other low-mid ASIC parts crap out just as readily.
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Obviously, memory and IMC tolerances can cause one card to be ok at same vid and another to black screen, but I'm pretty sure that, UNLESS the idle voltage is close to the same on all VID ranges/asic's, lower ASIC cards may be less prone to black screen, IF the idle voltage is higher (higher default vid).

Because remember, changing the voltage offset ALSO Raises the idle voltage...that's how I get that theory (and many idle blackscreens are fixed by raising gpu voltage).

I'm essentially forced to run the PT1 BIOS if I want to eliminate black screen crashes. This BIOS has only the 3D profile, so it's idle voltage is the highest voltage the part ever sees. Solves all of my black screen problems, and appreciably improves OCability, at the cost of 50-60w idle power consumption, rather than 5-10w.
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What people REALLY need to do is, if they are having BLACK SCREENS AT IDLE, they need to POST their ASIC rating % from gpu-z. That will be a dead giveaway as to what the problem is.
I'm willing to guess straight off (and I could be wrong), that cards with high ASIC's, have lower default Vids, which means they have lower idle voltages, which means more likely to black screen when the DDR memory jumps to full speed at idle (light load on desktop).

Obviously, memory and IMC tolerances can cause one card to be ok at same vid and another to black screen, but I'm pretty sure that, UNLESS the idle voltage is close to the same on all VID ranges/asic's, lower ASIC cards may be less prone to black screen, IF the idle voltage is higher (higher default vid).

Because remember, changing the voltage offset ALSO Raises the idle voltage...that's how I get that theory (and many idle blackscreens are fixed by raising gpu voltage).


I beg to differ:

1st 290x Lightning -- 76.1% -- black screen
2nd 290x Lightning -- 71.3% -- same black screen

Although I must say the 2nd hasn't gone to black screen lately (3 days straight and counting).
post #914 of 1600
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Originally Posted by Falkentyne View Post

What people REALLY need to do is, if they are having BLACK SCREENS AT IDLE, they need to POST their ASIC rating % from gpu-z. That will be a dead giveaway as to what the problem is.
I'm willing to guess straight off (and I could be wrong), that cards with high ASIC's, have lower default Vids, which means they have lower idle voltages, which means more likely to black screen when the DDR memory jumps to full speed at idle (light load on desktop).

Obviously, memory and IMC tolerances can cause one card to be ok at same vid and another to black screen, but I'm pretty sure that, UNLESS the idle voltage is close to the same on all VID ranges/asic's, lower ASIC cards may be less prone to black screen, IF the idle voltage is higher (higher default vid).

Because remember, changing the voltage offset ALSO Raises the idle voltage...that's how I get that theory (and many idle blackscreens are fixed by raising gpu voltage).
My ASIC rating on my 290 is 80.5% or something like that. I suppose your assumption makes sense, but the ASIC % doesn't seem to guarantee things like a good OC frown.gif Ive got hynix ram and it still black screens at 1550-1600mhz, can't even hit 1200 core with +200 offset.

Anyway this is what I was trying to say earlier, if I can adjust my bios to increase the VDDC or something like that to raise the idle voltage a bit Im willing to bet it will fix it at stock clocks. Ill eventually sit down and check my default VID then raise it slightly through hex editing and see what happens on stock clocks... Interestingly enough I decided to check ULPS and found a few entries in the registry marking it as ON. I've tried this before when overclocking with no help (obviously memory clock was too high) but since turning it back off on stock clocks, i'm yet to see a black screen. I think its a combination of too low idle voltage with power saving features.

Its funny you don't really get any indication when pushing mem too far like most of my older cars. I would always get some sort of artifcating or at the very least BSOD, but pushing this cards clocks too far only seems to black screen for me when at idle. I've never had a crash, freeze, BS when gaming which then leads me to believe the overclock is fine. Nek minit BS on idle :/
Edited by xliquidx - 5/7/14 at 5:39pm
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post #915 of 1600
GPU-Z shows an idle VDDC of around 0.977. Lowest i've seen it drop so far just idling in Windows is 0.969. VDDC load is sitting on about 1.117v. VDDCI is staying spot on 1.000 even on load currently. I'll let the logging continue, hopefully if it BS I can catch what the VDDC dropped to and see if its uber low.
ASIC quality reads 80.8%.
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goodluck! i tried that on my card a while back but found nothing unusual...but i don't think we have the same card i guess so your results may be different smile.gif
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well, try another game like skyrim and force AA to max in CCC and see if it does the same thing.

i meant disable monitor idle in power options in control panel. Ive heard reports of peoples monitors going idle durring games.

I dont have skyrim frown.gif

But I remember a blackscreen running cod ghost at MSAA at max. Cannot repeat that blackscreen.

I´ll disable monitor idle and powerplay to see what happens. But in my case, it´s really hard to blackscreen on another game/app.
post #918 of 1600
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GPU-Z shows an idle VDDC of around 0.977. Lowest i've seen it drop so far just idling in Windows is 0.969. VDDC load is sitting on about 1.117v. VDDCI is staying spot on 1.000 even on load currently. I'll let the logging continue, hopefully if it BS I can catch what the VDDC dropped to and see if its uber low.
ASIC quality reads 80.8%.

Hey, were you able to check yours?

I managed to catch a black screen occurrence last night while monitoring voltage on DMM (BTW - there are more than 1 behaviors i've seen that lead to black screen and this is just one of those):

- card was OC'd, +90mV, 1150Mhz/1400Mhz (gpu/mem)
- left it idle, monitor went to sleep mode after 5 mins (~1.10 V)
- after few seconds 290x went to sleep mode also, turning its 2 Fans OFF (dropped to 0.003 V)
- after about a minute, i noticed gpu turned itself back ON but monitor was still in sleep mode (vddc goes back to 1.10 V)
- moved the mouse, monitor becomes active but only black screen (vddc dropped to ~0.961 V) -- too bad, this is the only part i've caught on video mad.gif

Obviously the voltage drops upon waking up the monitor, though it didn't look to be dramatic. My idle voltages are about the same as you've seen (0.960 ~ 0.99 V). Perhaps it needed more volts to wake up (?) but it was sitting on 1.1V before i moved the mouse so it doesn't make sense why it would suddenly drop. And the million dollar question, why does it only happen on AMD while it's doing well on my NVIDIA and on-board Intel gpu's biggrin.gif Well, i'm not really seeking for an answer to that anymore.
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Hey, were you able to check yours?

I managed to catch a black screen occurrence last night while monitoring voltage on DMM (BTW - there are more than 1 behaviors i've seen that lead to black screen and this is just one of those):

- card was OC'd, +90mV, 1150Mhz/1400Mhz (gpu/mem)
- left it idle, monitor went to sleep mode after 5 mins (~1.10 V)
- after few seconds 290x went to sleep mode also, turning its 2 Fans OFF (dropped to 0.003 V)
- after about a minute, i noticed gpu turned itself back ON but monitor was still in sleep mode (vddc goes back to 1.10 V)
- moved the mouse, monitor becomes active but only black screen (vddc dropped to ~0.961 V) -- too bad, this is the only part i've caught on video mad.gif

Obviously the voltage drops upon waking up the monitor, though it didn't look to be dramatic. My idle voltages are about the same as you've seen (0.960 ~ 0.99 V). Perhaps it needed more volts to wake up (?) but it was sitting on 1.1V before i moved the mouse so it doesn't make sense why it would suddenly drop. And the million dollar question, why does it only happen on AMD while it's doing well on my NVIDIA and on-board Intel gpu's biggrin.gif Well, i'm not really seeking for an answer to that anymore.

Yep I did just catch one actually but I can't really see anything unusual other than my logging stops. My monitor was off and card was idling at 300/150. Im assuming when I moved the mouse the log shows 622/150 then logging stops and black screen. VDDC for both is 1.125, however I looked back through the log and I've had similar frequencies (650/1500) at the same voltage with no black screen so I have no idea what's going on. Cause be a conflict with Overdrive I don't know
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Yep I did just catch one actually but I can't really see anything unusual other than my logging stops. My monitor was off and card was idling at 300/150. Im assuming when I moved the mouse the log shows 622/150 then logging stops and black screen. VDDC for both is 1.125, however I looked back through the log and I've had similar frequencies (650/1500) at the same voltage with no black screen so I have no idea what's going on. Cause be a conflict with Overdrive I don't know

Yeah it didn't seem to be related to voltage...i caught it again last night and i had even lower operating voltages...it breaks my sense of logic if it were due to voltage: 0.003v during sleep, voltage rose to 0.8xx upon waking up...worked fine for few seconds then black screen and voltage went to 0.9xxV. Weird, right? MSI
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