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Hi everyone,

I´m using Rhinoceros 4 and VRay. Now, I´m thinking about buying a new computer for 3d modeling and rendering and I got 2 offers... can you please let me know which one is better?

Dell Workstation:
Dell Precision T3610, Intel Xeon, E5-1620 v2 (4-Core, HT, 3,7 GHz Turbo, 10 MB).
Windows 7 Professional 64-Bit. 16 GB (4 x 4 GB) DDR3 1866 MHz
ECC RDIMM.
NVIDIA Quadro K4000
3 GB (2 x DP, 1
x DVI-I) (2 x DP-DVI, 1 x DVI-VGA). 3,5-SATA-Harddisk
1 TB 7200. DVD-Brenner


Mac Pro

Mac Pro (MacPro4,1): Intel Xeon 4-Core
2,66 GHz. 6 GB DDR3 1067 MHz ECC RDIMM.
3,5-SATA-Harddisk, 640 GB 7200. SuperDrive.
Prozessor: Intel Xeon W3680 (6-Core, 3,33 GHz, 12 MB) 522
Arbeitsspeicher: Samsung 3 x 8 GB DDR3 1333 MHz ECCRDIMM
Graphic card: EVGA Geforce GTX 680 Mac Edition.

I would really appreciate your help! Thanks a lot!!typer.gifwave2.gif
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You need to mention the price too really if we're to give you a complete set of opinions. Although I'd guess the Mac was more expensive. The Dell would probably be better for 3D work, as a 3D user who switched from Mac to Windows PC, Windows does have a fair few apps that run better where 3D is concerned. The Quadro K4000 will be better than the GTX680 in pro apps, but you'd have to research individual software, to see if the difference in performance is worth the extra money of the pro grade Quadro card.

Everyone on here, myself included, will probably tell you to build something similar to the Dell and save a small fortune.
    
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Thank you for your quick response, JWak-1!! Since this is a work tool, I´m really concerned to buy the best machine for my software (Rhino 4 + VRay) So, if I got you right - you´re saying, that the Dell Station is better for 3D work.... anyways, why do you suggest to build something similar to the Dell (and not simply take the Dell) and on what parts can I save a fortune?

Thanks in advance!! specool.gif
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Thank you for your quick response, JWak-1!! Since this is a work tool, I´m really concerned to buy the best machine for my software (Rhino 4 + VRay) So, if I got you right - you´re saying, that the Dell Station is better for 3D work.... anyways, why do you suggest to build something similar to the Dell (and not simply take the Dell) and on what parts can I save a fortune?

Thanks in advance!! specool.gif

Sorry for the slow reply, I had to go out for a few hours.

Workstation graphics cards have better driver support for pro applications. The link below that I found on the Rhino website (one of the developers wrote this post I believe) explains this:

http://wiki.mcneel.com/rhino/rhino5videocards

It states that consumer grade graphics cards i.e. Nvidia Geforce and AMD Radeons do work fine with Rhino, but the workstation equivalent, The Nvidia Quadro's and AMD FirePro cards do work better.

I myself have the AMD FirePro V7900 (as you can see in my signature below), it has a certified driver for Rhino, Maya, 3DS Max etc. so it will run them all perfectly. While the drivers for consumer grade cards are not 'certified' they do still work, but researching that matter is worth while. You have to weigh the pro's and con's. A pro card will give you a bit more stability and reliability, but only if you have very intense work-loads (super-high poly models for example). These pro cards also cost a lot lot more. My V7900 was £600 brand new, whereas a good consumer grade card can be bought for £150+. The K4000 in the Dell is a £750-800 part, whereas the GTX 680 in the Mac is no longer the newest model, and it costs about £200 for the PC version.

Rhino works ok with consumer cards according to the Rhino developers, so unless you have a lot of high-poly work, you will be ok with.

As for CPU, this is important for rendering. If you intend to do lots of rendering in VRay, without offloading it to a render farm, a good CPU is important. Again, weigh up the importance of it against the cost. If you are going to be rendering night and day you may see good returns on buying a more expensive CPU, but you won't if you only do a bit of rendering here and there.

I do a fair amount of rendering in VRay for Maya, my Intel i7 3770K does the job very well. Even though it is only half as good as the pro grade Intel Xeon CPU's, it is about 10 times cheaper.

As for building it yourself instead of buying it: Building your PC can save you a lot, and can be quite enjoyable (that's why websites such as this one exist). You don't pay the extra for the manufacturer to build it, or a premium on the parts. It isn't as hard as it might seem, but if you really just want the computer, buying the Dell wouldn't be a bad move, its just not the best one.

I built my PC from scratch 15 months ago, and it does the job perfectly. If you want a specific parts list for what would work best, within a budget that you specify, I would be happy to help, and I imagine that others on this site will too.
    
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Hi again! I am really sorry for the late response, but things went crazy yesterday at the office!! Thanks a lot for your advice and the offer to help me building my own computer!! It is really cool, that forums like this exists and you help each other! Since we have a competition coming we need the computer quite soon... so we don´t have time to build our own one... i think i´ll just order the dell today... and thanks to your advice i´ll buy it with confidence! so.... THANKS AGAIN!!!

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