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other care about not being riped off for their cards ,... so 290x is still the best perf/cost ratio by a long shot.
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other care about not being riped off for their cards ,... so 290x is still the best perf/cost ratio by a long shot.

The OP said he has unlimited budget. It's not a battle between AMD and Nvidia here (again). The insane resulution he will be using the GPUs means he need insane power. The 290x would be throttled soon in a Crossfire configuration, and anyway, as someone noticed, vram can become a concern at these resolution (with AA enabled mainly) so Titan it should be in my opinion. Or 290x if OP is willing to watercool (could be a good idea with so many mouse case in the computer smile.gif ).
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unlimited budjet mean watercooling too , and everything i have read until know said that either a CF 290x or a sli 780ti is still not good enough for 4k , so for 3x 1440p i m not even sure any config will give you smooth gaming , you could end up with a very exensive rig that give you a awefull experience,.... that's why i don't really recommand anything, except don't overspend at some point the return on investement is simply not there, specially if the config end up not working properly.
i've read many people saying they got smoother gameplay at 4k with one card and 25 fps then 2 card at 45 fps , the CF/sli made it more choppy even if the fps rised,...
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You can run crossfire and eyefinity at the same time. If you find a game doesn't work with crossfire, you can just switch the application profile used (if running AMD, not sure with nvidia). I run that same resolution with 2x 7970, and can max most games no problem, so anything equal to or greater than my GPUs would be plenty for what you need.
     
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Yeah gaming with more than one gpu kinda introduce some latency betwee the frames, but AMD has a solution implanted in the beta drivers, soon to be released. For me, I'd rather change my GPU and change for a faster one when upgrading rather than buying a second one to run SLI/Crossfire, hear too many horror story I'm not yet ready to give it a try wink.gif . How ever here he have a big setup that needs to be powered so...no other option than sli/crossfire :/

If he would go with water, a lot of fun is ahead of him biggrin.gif
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yes but i m speaking about a problem specific for high resolution , it s not the same as the stutter issues of CF/SLI , it s something even more prononced that make the game nearly unplayable, i've seen multiple review saying that there 4k setting was actually not playable , and some user complaining too. something seems to add up to the stutter issue and it just become too much.
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Originally Posted by Ashuiegi View Post

other care about not being riped off for their cards ,... so 290x is still the best perf/cost ratio by a long shot.

I waited and waited for the 290x but in the end didn't go that way ..... upon closer inspection, the price /performance claim doesn't hold at least to those that frequent OCN ..... it's slower and significantly more expensive, than the 780.....not "outta the box" but once installed in a system and operating like OCNers are apt to do (OCN also = Obsessive Compulsive Nutz about squeezing the most outta our systems) . In the end tho, the 290x is my fav card of the year, because of the impact it had on what we pay for all cards.

1. There's no OC headroom .... overclocked the 780 tops the 290x overclocked at 1920 x 1080 and 2560 x 1600.... they didn't have 4k but I expect it's close enough that the 290x can likely capture the crown there. Linus compared them both "overclocked to the wall" (at least as far as they could under air), and the 780 was on top for every benchmark.....(Benchies at 8:00 minute mark in link below). For outta the box users, the 290x can certainly make that price / performance claim but overclocked, the 780 is cheaper, faster and available.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djvZaHHU4I8

2. This I had suspected but just confirmed by AMD .... aftermarket / vendor based cooling solutions are unlikely to provide help

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ama-toms-hardware,3672-5.html
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Q. You want to take full advantage of product TDP to maximize performance, and that is accomplished with “a 95C ideal operating temperature for the 290 and 290X." So there is no benefit in performance if the card could run cooler? Wouldn't you be able to get more performance before you hit 95c?

A. A better cooler increases the watts of heat that the product can emit before the 95C equilibrium temperature is reached. In turn, this raises the maximum permissible clockspeed (within the limit of product TDP) the board can sustain. Users with the Accelero coolers are finding they're reaching the clockspeed limit of the product at a lower temperature limit than 95C. So you can see how the experience is very customizable and interesting for enthusiasts.

Q. Regarding the 290/290x, when can we expect to see vendor based cooling solutions?

A. I'm not certain when you'll see third-party solutions, I'm afraid.

3. The 780 is $50 cheaper than the 290x even before ya purchase the extra rad and fans need to get comparable cooling

I mean the 290x is astounding for what it accomplished .... I wish they'd OC the cards like this outta the box more often .... rather than do what Asus did going from the aggressively clocked outta the box 670 DCII TOP to the thoroughly underwhelming clock on the 770 (80 Hz below the competition) . OTOH, I'd hope they keep the cards from competing with the H100i for nosiest thing ya can put inside a PC.
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post #48 of 52
the 780 is not in the same ball park , the 780 ti maibe , in many games the 780 is barely faster then a toxic 280x while the 290x maintain a better performance across most game (except the usual AC or few like that ) , and it s totally pointless to compare oc , you can get a 780 that clock very bad like you can get a 290x that clock very bad , and to get your 780 to oc this far you need a custom bios to unlock higher voltage , that is not really officially supported and countless other shabby mods ,... which for a card this expensive at begening is just inacceptable , the 780 is maybe cheaper in the us but not here , specially for the non bf4 edition.
Maybe you don't realize it but oc will considerably shorten the lifespan of your card, specially with high voltage mod not matter the cooling, it s not free performance at all ,....
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Lol people quoting linus overclocking results.... Anyway we really should just nudge this guy to this thread here where people that actually own these gpus, and probably nice screens, are at.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1436635/ocn-gk110-vs-hawaii-bench-off-thread/1260
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Maybe you don't realize it but oc will considerably shorten the lifespan of your card, specially with high voltage mod not matter the cooling, it s not free performance at all ,....

Currently have 6 desktops half with multiple GPUs and 7 laptops here here in my SOHO .... oldest is a lappie from 2002.....oldest desktop is an i7-920 .... everyone of them has been overclocked from Day 1....all in working order. Most used machine is air cooled, twin 560 Tis and is running at 28% GPU overclock's and 2600k CPU at 4.8 Ghz.... with BIOS option to boot to to 5.0 Ghz .... machine runs 16-18 hours a day, sometimes more ....AutoCAD during the day and my son uses it to game to the wee hours of the morning. Coming up on 3 years for that bugger which I generally consider the useful life of a production machine. Not that there's anything wrong with it, but that I just can make more money using something faster.

Given the name of the forum, i don't think you'll find much support for that claim.

I been building boxes since the mid 80s and started tweakking them to run AutoCAD and a profitable speed in early 1990s ...... back then our machines had 6 different autoexec.bat and coinfig.sys files and we chose which of the 6 we wanted to boot to depending on what we'd be doing...... now it's much easier w/o the 640k memory limit. .....only failures i have experienced are hard drives and opticals.

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Lol people quoting linus overclocking results.... Anyway we really should just nudge this guy to this thread here where people that actually own these gpus, and probably nice screens, are at.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1436635/ocn-gk110-vs-hawaii-bench-off-thread/1260

This is AMD talking

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ama-toms-hardware,3672-3.html
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95C is the optimal temperature that allows the board to convert its power consumption into meaningful performance for the user. Every single component on the board is designed to run at that temperature throughout the lifetime of the product. If you throttle the temperature down below that threshold, then the board must in turn consume less power to respect the new temperature limit. Consuming less power means lowering vcore and engine clock, which means less performance

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Q. You want to take full advantage of product TDP to maximize performance, and that is accomplished with “a 95C ideal operating temperature for the 290 and 290X." So there is no benefit in performance if the card could run cooler? Wouldn't you be able to get more performance before you hit 95c?

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which explains the statement a few pages later.
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Q. Regarding the 290/290x, when can we expect to see vendor based cooling solutions?

A. I'm not certain when you'll see third-party solutions, I'm afraid

Additional cooling is helping extend the clockspeed limit to any significant extent which is why he doesn't see any vendors pursuing that.

I'm fine with putting out a card clocked to the max.....why vendors underclock cards is something that's beyond me. But comparing two cards when one is overclocked (even if it was done before it was put in the box) and one that hasn't as has significant headroom is not exactly apples and apples". For me it's not just gaming, I make a living and my income is based in part on how fast me and my employees get things done. When CAD operators get billed out at $90 an hour, it's more than just bragging rights at stake....even more so with clients starting to ask for their drawings in 3D

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-workstation-graphics-card,3493-5.html
Edited by JackNaylorPE - 11/14/13 at 9:07pm
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