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Like the topic suggests; I'm contemplating whether my trusty 930 is ready for retirement. I'm running it at 4,2 ghz @ 1,35v, and have been for years now. Using a Corsair H80 for cooling. I did have it at 4,3 for a while, but decided to lower it a smidge for better longevity.

Now, a mobo + 4930K upgrade would run me 1020 USD (I live in Norway, stuff is expensive here), and that's with an ASUS P9x79 (not Pro). I'm currently a student, so this is a lot of money for me. But if it would give me a significant performance boost, I am willing to consider it.

How much could I be expected to be able to overclock a typical 4930K with an H80?

I'm using it for regular gaming @ 1080p resolutions. No surround setup as I have a TV connected for Steam Big Picture, movies and whatnot, and a small 17" LCD for temp monitoring, multitasking etc.

So, is it worth it?

Edit: My case is a Thermaltake Level 10 GT. It has a pretty good air flow (exhaust in the top as well as the H80 in the back, and intake in the front and side).
Edited by Sehnsucht - 11/12/13 at 6:55am
post #2 of 85
my opinion is you should keep what you have now, that's a good overclock, and all the tech is moving to fast with not that big of a performance boost, (imo) I am still running a i7 970 stock and can play any game at max settings with no problems.
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post #3 of 85
I agree that there is no reason to upgrade. If what you have now is giving you all that you need than there is no reason. As a student, I would find more ways to make your money work for you until you build your next dream system. What you have is a stellar rig and anything you build now isnt going to blow you away for what you are using it for.

I went from a 2600k to a 3770k and didnt see anything that was jaw dropping performance wise. I dont use it for much more than basic gaming and work but maybe others can chime in but I was disappointed in myself for upgrading and spending the money that I did to see minimal improvement.
post #4 of 85
Not to much of a difference. I'm upgrading from x58 980x to a 4960X (parts will be coming in this week and the next )

I honestly feel in a way that I will see somewhat of a difference. Though as for what you may be looking for it may not make a dent. I'm gonna run some benchmarks on my system then again when I upgrade to get some numbers. I know someone else already ran some but having multiple puts things into better perspective.

I'm coming from an X58A-UD3R Gigabyte board v1, not liking tri-channel due to the way it works. hat + the lower power consumption will benefit me a bit. I'll post info once I'm ready to begin.

In all honesty though it still does what it needs to do.
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post #5 of 85
It really depends on what you use it for. For regular gaming & entertainment (i.e. watching movies, listening to music, browsing the web, etc) it's probably not worth it. If you were into media editing/encoding, graphics rendering, or benchmarking then it would be absolutely worth it for the extra cores, but there are zero games out that are coded for 6 cores, much less 12 threads.

The early i7's have held up incredibly well (or tech has progressed incredibly slowly?). Nearly 5 years later, that 930 is still very relevant. Sit tight until next year, Haswell-e is your best chance for a big upgrade.
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I have been in a similar situation recently, wondering whether to upgrade.

I do occasionally do video editing, and I do a lot of photo editing, so I'm sure I'd notice the difference, but not to justify the cost (for me).

The main thing I do is gaming, and Battlefield 4 is the first game to almost max out my CPU (i7 920 at 4.2GHz, basically exactly the same as your setup). But even with BF4, I'm not limited by my CPU, so there's no reason to upgrade I think from a gaming perspective.

The upgrades I've made that have made a big difference were getting an SSD (of course), but also going from 6GB to 12GB of RAM. Won't make a difference for gaming, but I tend to leave lots of programs open at once (lots of browser tabs, Lightroom/Photoshop open in the background, and then I'll run a game as well), so that made a difference to me.

I'm going to sit tight until the next generation, and maybe there'll be more of a difference then...

But in conclusion, will there be a difference? I think yes, but in gaming, 99% of the time no.
Is it worth the cost? I would say definitely no (for gaming/light other usage)
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post #7 of 85
If you really wanna try a 6 core in that system you can look for an i7 970. I also have a 970 running stock and it's fantastic for gaming. I use to run a 920 @ 4Ghz.

Your other option is the Xeon L5639 1366 socket chip. I bought one for my Asrock X58 Xtreme main system. The Xeon is a 32nm 6c 12t 60w chip designed for dual CPU workstations. The best part is they are going for ~ 85$ on eBay. The only caveat is that you have to make sure your motherboard will support it first, and it's low multiplier. My EVGA 760 A1 Rev 1.0 board will NOT accept it without a simple mod. You have to short out 2 points.. I've seen pics floating around of how to do it but I opted for a higher multi (24x for the 970) The Xeon runs @ 2.13Ghz stock. 3.2Ghz is obtainable with high BCLK I've seen some guys over on Anandtech pushing 3.56Ghz on all 6 cores. It will Turbo. But not on all 6 cores. IIRC I think I've seen some turbo up to 4.4Ghz. And that's an 85$ Chip!!!
     
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post #8 of 85
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Alright guys, seems the best course of action is to hold off on an upgrade for now. Honestly, I expected these kinds of answers, but I figured since it's a relatively new CPU and a 6-core to boot, it might actually make a significant difference. Overall I am still happy with my 930; I just find it really strange that it still holds up after 4 years..

On another note, I tried changing the thermal paste today from the stock paste that came with the H80 to a better brand. At first I tried the "pea in the middle" method, but when I ran a Prime95 test, the temps were much higher than before for some reason. So I disassembled and tried the credit card method instead, trying to get an even layer all over the CPU. The temps are still higher than before.. Instead of applying to the CPU, should I instead apply it to the H80 copper plate? The H80 surface is a bit bigger than the CPU, but I didn't really think about it earlier..
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If you really wanna try a 6 core in that system you can look for an i7 970. I also have a 970 running stock and it's fantastic for gaming. I use to run a 920 @ 4Ghz.

Your other option is the Xeon L5639 1366 socket chip. I bought one for my Asrock X58 Xtreme main system. The Xeon is a 32nm 6c 12t 60w chip designed for dual CPU workstations. The best part is they are going for ~ 85$ on eBay. The only caveat is that you have to make sure your motherboard will support it first, and it's low multiplier. My EVGA 760 A1 Rev 1.0 board will NOT accept it without a simple mod. You have to short out 2 points.. I've seen pics floating around of how to do it but I opted for a higher multi (24x for the 970) The Xeon runs @ 2.13Ghz stock. 3.2Ghz is obtainable with high BCLK I've seen some guys over on Anandtech pushing 3.56Ghz on all 6 cores. It will Turbo. But not on all 6 cores. IIRC I think I've seen some turbo up to 4.4Ghz. And that's an 85$ Chip!!!

Well, I have yet to experience needing more than 4 cores (or 8 threads), so I don't think it would do much for me. It might be an option though if I somehow manage to fry my 930.

Thanks for all the answers, you probably saved me a lot of dough lol.
Edited by Sehnsucht - 11/12/13 at 9:49am
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Have you lapped the thermal conductor? I did when I seen the i 970 run at the same idle temps as my 920.. I wouldn't of gave it a second thought but seeing the 970 is on 32nm tech it should of ran cooler. I lapped it and seen an 8* drop on all the cores.. This was with a TRUE 120 Extreme, Black
     
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well have you looked at the size of a Pea? it is rather large so that size would be too much paste.
I apply the paste at the size of a grain of Rice on the center of my 970 6 core and have never had temps higher than 62c on air full load.
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