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Oh, ok so GPU-Z Temperature 1 is the long strip on the video card and the GPU-Z Temperature 2 is the triangular strip on the video card.

So knowing all this, I only need to purchase one Fujipoly Extreme System Builder Thermal Pad - 1/4 Sheet - 150 x 100 x 1.0mm - Thermal Conductivity 11.0 W/mK , which I just did by the way for $22.99 from FrozenCPU. With shipping and entering the OCN 5% savings code it came to $29.81.

You just saved me some money since I was about to buy 2 x 1mm and 2 x 0.5 mm sheets (thinking I'd also have to cover the VRAM) and now knowing this, I can get by with one 1mm sheet which will do both cards nicely.

Thanks for the clarification and + rep!

Additionally, I just purchased two of the Corsair Air Series SP120 PWM High Performance Ed. 2350RPM 62.74CFM 35DBA Cooling Fan Dual Pack (4 fans total) from Canada Computers for $51.72 and with taxes (free shipping) it came to $58.44. Now that I will rectify the VRM temps, I also really wanted to see what would happen if I put both rads under a push/pull configuration!
I just purchased the same pad for myself too today. I paid more for shipping because the first shipping option will going to take long time to arrived in Malaysia. redface.gif
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Ok. I just pulled the trigger on yet another upgrade!

In the pursuit of perfection and lower temps, I was debating going with the Black Ice SR1-360mm radiator, however I decided to go with another Swiftech; the Swiftech MCR320-XP "eXtreme Performance" Radiator on sale for $64.99 at NCIX. With tax and shipping it came to $85.02.

The Black Ice radiator was thicker and if I wanted to keep my blu-ray I would not have been able to have any fans on that third 120mm rad space. As it is, I will only be able to place an intake fan on that third 120mm rad space nearest the blue ray drive.

Now, I just want to add a flush valve to the loop and hopefully I'll be done. redface.gif

Edit 1;

Well, I kept going by ordering, from FrozenCPU, a Bitspower G1/4" Mini Valve $18.99 (will use this for easier draining of the loop), Bitspower 45-Degree Dual Rotary Compression Fitting x2 $31.98 (to make some of those connections a little bit prettier), Bitspower Adjustable Silver Aqua Link Pipe (to replace the black Swiftech Crossfire bridge), an XSPC LCD Temperature Sensor V2 $9.99 (I want to know my water temps) and another Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra $15.49 (I don't want to run out).

Ok, I'm all set. I figured since I'm emptying the loop and taking the GPUs apart, I might as well go all out and add things I've coveted from observations made on the water cooling thread!

Edit 2;

Oops, since I bought the 360mm radiator, well I needed another set of Corsair Fans from Direct Canada for $25.86. biggrin.gif
Edited by Gunderman456 - 2/17/14 at 7:04pm
 
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Don't mean to crash the thread. My Xfire 290's that are under water; can only do 1255 on the memory. So I was thinking to swap them around, to see if I gain a better overclock. Am I correct in reporting that your findings have proved that it would not make a difference?
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Correct, tested that on my cards and the weaker card affected the performance of the cards in either slot.
 
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Thanks for the info. Saves me the headache of breaking the loop down.
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Thanx for the reply +1

I was gonna order the Fujipoly Ultra Extreme since that's what everybody seems to recommend. I noticed that the instructions for the block only recommended TIM on the ram and not pads, but wasn't sure if pads would help. I'm stuck with a BSOD Elpida so trying to get as much out of it as possible. I figured Fujipoly would be better than the strip that's in the package, but might not order it now if i don't need it for the ram at all.
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You two need to tell me all about your findings . Got it ninja.gif
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So when you going to slap those new pads on? I'm anxious to see your results as my pads won't be arriving for a few days yet.
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It may be the bolded part. I thought one of the knocks on the XSPC blocks was that they had a somewhat smaller VRM cooling channel than the EKs do.
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Waiting on the Fujipoly from the UPS man any day this week.
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Just to make sure my eyes working properly. Fujipoly 11W/mK is $7.49 while Fujipoly 17W/mK is $25.99 at FrozenCPU. Why huge difference? Is this always like this? If I go with 11W/mK, do I still get huge improvement in VRM1 temp?
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Geez those are expensive. Is there not any that are pretty good but easier on the wallet?
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i am only cooling one 290. my vrm1 is about 3C cooler than vrm2 and about 5C cooler than the core. i used CLU for the core and Fujipoly for the vrms.
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I think it's called FujiPoly Extreme. They have 3 different varieties, Ultra Extreme is the best and Extreme is number 2.
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So knowing all this, I only need to purchase one Fujipoly Extreme System Builder Thermal Pad - 1/4 Sheet - 150 x 100 x 1.0mm - Thermal Conductivity 11.0 W/mK , which I just did by the way for $22.99 from FrozenCPU. With shipping and entering the OCN 5% savings code it came to $29.81.

You just saved me some money since I was about to buy 2 x 1mm and 2 x 0.5 mm sheets (thinking I'd also have to cover the VRAM) and now knowing this, I can get by with one 1mm sheet which will do both cards nicely.

Upgraded thermal pads on XSPC Razor Block

Alright so I have installed the Fujipoly Ultra Extreme 17.0 W/mk pads on both VRM1 and VRM2. This is a link for the 100x15mm pad, it is the smallest size available. It is enough for at least 2 applications to the VRMs.
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/17504/thr-185/Fujipoly_Ultra_Extreme_System_Builder_Thermal_Pad_-_Mosfet_Block_-_100_x_15_x_10_-_Thermal_Conductivity_170_WmK.html?tl=g8c487s1797

I have also installed the Fujipoly Extreme 11.0 W/mk on the RAM chips. This is a link for the 100x150mm pad which is probably enough to do the RAM and VRMs 3 times if you don't want to spend the money on the Ultra Extreme. Smaller sizes are available for less money. To cover one cards RAM chips, the cheapest option is (2) of the 60x50mm pads
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/16880/thr-165/Fujipoly_Extreme_System_Builder_Thermal_Pad_-_14_Sheet_-_150_x_100_x_10_-_Thermal_Conductivity_110_WmK.html?tl=g8c487s1730

***You may need thinner, 0.5mm or 0.7mm, pads for your specific waterblock! Please double check the table below before ordering or upgrading!***

I received information from Koolance regarding their unique 0.7mm pads and substituting a 0.5m or 1mm pad:
As any one manufacturers card could have slight differences from another, we often include more than one thickness so that the customer can achieve the best contact on their block. Ideally you use as thin as possible, but some cards have shorter chips and demand the thicker pads. -Dylan - Koolance Technical Support

See photo below for thermal pad sizes.



Waterblock Installation Links:
XSPC - http://static.squarespace.com/static/51998404e4b0ef02d1bd9c2c/t/5292f421e4b006a2894e4d92/1385362465655/razor-r9-290x.pdf
EK - http://www.ekwb.com/shop/EK-IM/EK-IM-3831109868539.pdf
Koolance - https://koolance.com/files/products/manuals/manual_vid-ar290x_d100eng.pdf
HeatKiller - http://watercool.de/sites/default/files/downloads/MA_GPU-X3_R9_290Xm.pdf
AquaComputer - KryographicsHawaiiInstallationInstructions.pdf 164k .pdf file

I did not use any TIM to assist in thermal conductivity on the pads. EK suggests using TIM in their instructions. I personally felt it would be a PITA to clean it all off when it came time to do that. Chiknnwatrmln also did not use any TIM with his EK block. With the Ultra Extreme he is seeing roughly 20C lower temps on VRM1 than I am with stock XSPC pads. So I am doing this write up to see what kind of a difference there is going from stock XSPC pads to FUE, and to see which block does a better job cooling VRM1.

Here's what it looked like with stock pads.



Fujipoly Extreme 150x100mm for the RAM chips. *I ordered too much*
The 150x100mm is enough to probably do 3 whole cards. If you wanted to get better than stock results and not spend $ for both types you could easily get away with one of these.
To save a couple dollars the cheapest route to cover the RAM chips would be (2) of the 60x50mm pads


Fujipoly Ultra Extreme 15x100mm for VRMs
The 15x100 FUE is more than enough to do the VRMs on these cards. If you cut them thin enough you might have enough to do 3 cards.



I examined the stock pad contact and found some spots that weren't being 100% covered.



I took the XSPC stock pads off and laid them on the Fujipoly to use them as a template and enlarged as needed.







My awesome Husky 'titanium' coated scissors worked marvelously to cut both versions of the pads.



Minimal trimming was needed to make all pieces fit on RAM really nice.





At this point I thought it would nice for everyone else to have a template of their own, so I put the pads on my scanner biggrin.gif
R9290XThermalPadTemplate.jpg 1077k .jpg file
R9290XThermalPadTemplate.pdf 1055k .pdf file
Either should print on a whole sheet of 8.5x11 paper so they are the correct size. I would imagine these would work on other blocks aside from XSPC, but that will be up to others to find out if they use the templates

Time to clean the VRMs and RAM chips

I chose to use Arcticlean TIM remover/purifier as I figured it could easily remove the residue from the other pads. Chiknnwatrmln suggested Isopropyl Alcohol or a Pencil Eraser.


Time to lay the pads onto the card.

One more cut was required when I got to this point. I did not want to pick up the Fujipoly Extreme after it was on the card as it felt somewhat fragile. I ended up taking a precision flat head screwdriver to cut the pad where I needed. It required very little force to cut through the pad.



Tada!


A few miscellaneous pointers before I end this rant...

Wash your hands before handling these. The less oil from your skin the better; you could even wear gloves I suppose.

The Fujipoly Ultra Extreme has thinner more pliable plastic on both sides, it is easy to remove from both sides.

The Fujipoly Extreme is like all other thermal pads I have used in the past. One side is thin, pliable, has a checkered pattern, and is easy to remove. The other side has a thicker, harder, clear plastic and is more difficult to remove. Take the hard plastic off first so you don't struggle removing it and touch the pads more than necessary.


Edited by Roboyto - 3/3/14 at 8:29pm
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Temperature Results from Fujipoly Ultra Extreme on VRMs


Screenshot of VRM temps with FUE for 3DMark11 Performance Presets 1295/1700 +200mV



All observed temperatures before and after using same settings before and after thermal pad switch


On average for 3DMark11 Performance/Xtreme Presets, Unigine Heaven/Valley Extreme Presets, and FFXIV Benchmark Maximum Settings, temperatures decreased:


VRM1 23.25% VRM2 12.15%



Another user inquired about performance improvements over time. I don't know if thermal pads can cure and work better over time, but we are going to find out.

These are preliminary temperature results. Next information coming will be to see if I have uncovered any additional overclocking room.

After 8 days of use with the Fujipoly Pads

Since my temperatures were already fair, I was not able to overclock the GPU core any further. Does this mean the upgrade isn't worth the money and effort? Absolutely not with a 20% drop in temperature. The cooler the card and all its components can run, the longer it will last especially if you plan on running a heavy overclock all the time; I'm talking to you Crypto Miners! The pads could definitely help others squeeze some more performance or stability out of their card. I still highly recommend the upgrade to anyone with a full cover block.

The Extreme pads for the RAM did not assist in any additional overclocking of the RAM. It would be my suggestion to save yourself the money and use the factory pads that come with your block for the RAM. The RAM doesn't get anywhere near the temperatures the VRMs do. If there was a thermal sensor for the RAM I would have data and possibly a different conclusion.
Edited by Roboyto - 3/3/14 at 8:31pm
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You're using metro ll bench like I do, I have this question. Why does run 0 always have crap minimum framerate? If I discount than run I'll get minimum frame in the low 20s. But run 0 always gets minimum of 10-12. All the other run numbers are consistent.
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@Roboyto, nice work, hopefully my temps will go down as well when I replace the GPU(s) thermal pads as well!

@taem, I really never paid that much attention to each particular run, just looked at the average of all 3 runs.

Hard to say why run one would be slower though, but you will always get disparity between runs on same hardware, that is why most look for an average over several runs.

I'm guessing here but maybe as the card heats-up your fan profile better cools the card and then the card throttles less at the later runs?

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I just bought 4 more Bitspower Silver Straight Compression Fittings from DazMode for $35.96, since I will need more of these to establish the flush valve.

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I also purchased a 3 Port Bitspower G1/4" Silver Shining T-Rotary Adapter from FrozenCPU for $13.99 since the reservoir only has 3 ports on the underside and I'd need 2 of these ports for the water loop channels and the third port will use the adapter so I can incorporate thee water sensor on one and the flush valve on the other port. The top port on the reservoir will be used to fill-up the water loop.
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So much information here thankyou
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